Media Petr Yan's elbows to the forearm

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Petr Yan found a lot of success against Merab by elbowing his forearm in stall body lock positions, I've been seeing this move a lot more since then. O'Malley implemented it against Song, Volk was doing it against Lopes. The 12-6 elbow rule change has been a big positive.



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I remember Yan elbowing the forearm but didn't see Merab holding his forearm like that. Thanks for the post/thread.
 
Pretty cool tactic to use to break that chain wrestling grip. Yan has good wrestling defense, so it's not something everyone can use, but it's a good step to what will beat that damn chain wrestling.

Fence for wrestling defense gave us so many more strikers the last 10 years. I remember back when Silva fought Bonnar and blatantly used it, that it stuck out to me. All these little tricks get incorporated and sent to the camps giving strikers a little bit of an edge. I don't think we'll see dagi wrestling get completely countered, but we'll eventually see the blueprints to stop the effectiveness. Hell Merab already showed it's possible to melt their cardio.
 
These are the annoying looking secondary strikes when a fighter can't properly load up otherwise -- in the same category as

knees to the butt or legs
punch to the side when grappling
shoulder strikes

I don't think they're epic or can be properly characterized as significant, although some might be more significant than others.
 
Guy LeDouche said:
How long have you been watching fighting? No disrespect.

I can think of guys doing this in the UFC back in the 00s and throughout. This isn’t a new tool.
Let’s not turn this into the new “shoulder strike” fad from a few years ago
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People have used them in random spots before almost out of just base instinct or lack of ideas, but Yan literally had them as part of a "tactical tree" of what to do in each position to force Merab to adapt so he could adapt in turn.

Has anyone ever used them as effectively as Yan against Merab? He landed like 6-7 in the first round all to the same area and all hard as shit (full separation and spacing with maximum torque into the strike), literally had Merab holding his forearm walking to his corner after the first round. For a guy that relies on holding onto a rear-waist cinch for long periods to tire/stall opponents it was a game-changing tactic that completely altered Merab's effectiveness and gave Yan openings to hand-fight, get underhooks, etc.

But yeah it's not like they re-invented the wheel in fighting with this attack, it's just been vastly underused and not effectively built as part of a branch of techniques to endlessly chain together.
 
TheMMAnalyst said:
People have used them in random spots before almost out of just base instinct or lack of ideas, but Yan literally had them as part of a "tactical tree" of what to do in each position to force Merab to adapt so he could adapt in turn.

Has anyone ever used them as effectively as Yan against Merab? He landed like 6-7 in the first round all to the same area and all hard as shit (full separation and spacing with maximum torque into the strike), literally had Merab holding his forearm walking to his corner after the first round. For a guy that relies on holding onto a rear-waist cinch for long periods to tire/stall opponents it was a game-changing tactic that completely altered Merab's effectiveness and gave Yan openings to hand-fight, get underhooks, etc.

But yeah it's not like they re-invented the wheel in fighting with this attack, it's just been vastly underused and not effectively built as part of a branch of techniques to endlessly chain together.
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Good analysis.

But not to be a dick, do you have that insight into Yans camp that he actively had that thought process? Or is that just assumption from watching one fight?
… as opposed to thousands of fighters who have been in that same strategic position and utitlized the same technique?

It seems like an over generalization and assumption over a very very basic concept that has been around for years in fighting.
Break the grip on a hand to get out, wether it be 2 on 1 or hurting their forearm to loosen it.
 
Guy LeDouche said:
Good analysis.

But not to be a dick, do you have that insight into Yans camp that he actively had that thought process? Or is that just assumption from watching one fight?
… as opposed to thousands of fighters who have been in that same strategic position and utitlized the same technique?

It seems like an over generalization and assumption over a very very basic concept that has been around for years in fighting.
Break the grip on a hand to get out, wether it be 2 on 1 or hurting their forearm to loosen it.
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I mean how often do you see fighters utilize that tactic with strategic effectiveness? It's actually pretty rare, if you don't have supreme confidence in your balance/ability to drop weight you hypothetically only have one arm fighting two arms and can get taken down. And you need to be relentless with your hand-fighting/elbows to the forearms, you can't let the opponent rest and throw knees to the thighs and get his own energy back, you need to make him be the one working harder to hold the position while you are the one doing the actual damage.

Merab has almost unbreakable grips, we've seen him stall out so many fighters from that position and before this Aldo/Sandhagen/Suga/Yan (in the first fight) and many others seemed lost with how to progressively counter the position. Seems like Yan not only knew the tactics but had a strategic methodology in what to do in each position based on what Merab did and it all worked like a charm.
 
TheMMAnalyst said:


I mean how often do you see fighters utilize that tactic with strategic effectiveness? It's actually pretty rare, if you don't have supreme confidence in your balance/ability to drop weight you hypothetically only have one arm fighting two arms and can get taken down. And you need to be relentless with your hand-fighting/elbows to the forearms, you can't let the opponent rest and throw knees to the thighs and get his own energy back, you need to make him be the one working harder to hold the position while you are the one doing the actual damage.

Merab has almost unbreakable grips, we've seen him stall out so many fighters from that position and before this Aldo/Sandhagen/Suga/Yan (in the first fight) and many others seemed lost with how to progressively counter the position. Seems like Yan not only knew the tactics but had a strategic methodology in what to do in each position based on what Merab did and it all worked like a charm.
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Ohh that’s awesome I’ve never seen that, great coaching on his teams part.

I get what you are saying, it’s a great strategy for being in that position. Yan used them well.
But again it’s a technique even used by guys who have no idea what to do in that position in the first place, I don’t see the profoundness that people are trying to make this out to be. It’s simply a way of breaking grip that we’ve seen a hundred times over.
 
Guy LeDouche said:
Ohh that’s awesome I’ve never seen that, great coaching on his teams part.

I get what you are saying, it’s a great strategy for being in that position. Yan used them well.
But again it’s a technique even used by guys who have no idea what to do in that position in the first place, I don’t see the profoundness that people are trying to make this out to be. It’s simply a way of breaking grip that we’ve seen a hundred times over.
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The guys who do it instinctively do it without technique or methodology.

Yan isn’t mindlessly throwing elbows with little wind-up/without arc/on the flat part of the bottom of the elbow.

He’s methodically hand-fighting first to get Merab to commit to gripping as hard as possible. Then he frames with one arm to create as much space as possible and gets his elbow as high as possible before arcing into the middle of Merab’s forearm with the point of the elbow. He landed like 6 or 7 in the first round that dramatically altered the position as the fight progressed. It was a game-changer in this specific fight and we’ve never seen it used this effectively.

Most fighters won’t do what Merab does because they can’t get to that position (wrestling/pressure/cardio) and can’t hold it (strength/cardio/style) or don’t want to hold it.

It’s a perfectly adapted tool for this specific opponent, but yes there is nothing revolutionary about it, it was just done with perfect technique as part of a systematic progressive way to break down a specific opponent.
 
There are so many nerves/connective tissue on the outside of the forearm. You'll find your fingers lose grip strength quick.
 
TheMMAnalyst said:
People have used them in random spots before almost out of just base instinct or lack of ideas, but Yan literally had them as part of a "tactical tree" of what to do in each position to force Merab to adapt so he could adapt in turn.

Has anyone ever used them as effectively as Yan against Merab? He landed like 6-7 in the first round all to the same area and all hard as shit (full separation and spacing with maximum torque into the strike), literally had Merab holding his forearm walking to his corner after the first round. For a guy that relies on holding onto a rear-waist cinch for long periods to tire/stall opponents it was a game-changing tactic that completely altered Merab's effectiveness and gave Yan openings to hand-fight, get underhooks, etc.

But yeah it's not like they re-invented the wheel in fighting with this attack, it's just been vastly underused and not effectively built as part of a branch of techniques to endlessly chain together.
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Omalley tried using them against Dong and he literally didn't react.
 
You hit whatever you can hit when you're locked up or entangled. These smaller guys throw a lot more shots because it costs little energy to move their smaller limbs. In theory you could throw strikes to any part of the body, e.g. elbows to the ankles, elbows to the shoulder, elbows to the hips, elbows to the thigh, elbows to the shin, elbows to the foot.

It all depends on the position you find yourself in and how much energy it costs to move your limbs.

Yan is a great fighter though in the smaller divisions no doubt, war Yan.
 
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