Pereira is already higher than Izzy in the "all time great" rankings

PrideNverDies said:
Terrible take. Alex is an ATG
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He is 1-1 with a MW and 1-1 with the only decent wrestler he ever faced. Next best wrestler was Jan who took him to a debatable SD.

Alex is an all time great at fighting lesser kickboxers in MMA.
Pretty sure Roger Federer would be an ATG at Pickleball against grade school kids.
 
It's pathetic to watch the younger Izzy these days reacting to Poatan fights on his sofa while king Alex is still collecting scalps.
 
hbombbisping said:
It's pathetic to watch the younger Izzy these days reacting to Poatan fights on his sofa while king Alex is still collecting scalps.
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I thought it was pretty cool to see how much he celebrated it and respects him. That rivalry pushed both of them to different, bigger heights. I think they both recognize it now that all of the smoke has cleared, and there is a mutual respect.
 
Mammothman said:
Obviously neither is close to be the GOAT but Pereira is more accomplished than Izzy in MMA.

Lets look at the FACTS

- Pereira 6 wins over UFC champs > Izzy 3 wins over UFC champs (washed silva)
- Won the UFC LHW belt, beat Jan and Strickland, 2 things Izzy failed badly to do.
- Pereira 8 finishes > Izzy 5 finishes
- Won the UFC belt faster in the UFC than Izzy
- Pereira beat better competition: Jan, Hill, 2x Jiri, Rountree, Ank > Vettori, Romero, Costa, Whittaker and Cannonier
- Pereira is more loved and accepted by the fans
- Pereira is always a class act and truly humble
- Despite a compromised weight cut at MW he was able to win the belt and destroyed Izzy.

Yeah Izzy might have a better MW career but Pereira LHW runs is far better than Izzy.

Also Izzy might have 7 tittle wins but Pereira will tie him once he beats Ulberg and since Pereira would do it against better competition that would put him further above Izzy.

Thoughts?
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Izzy has more tittles confirmed
 
I don't think many people would debate that. Izzy is fading fast, his reflex-based style is taking a hit as he gets older. Poatan, meanwhile, is possibly the UFC's biggest star right now, and speeding towards GOAT status. He has a real shot at becoming the first 3 division champ.
 
Compromised weight cut is a nice way of spinning weight bully but okay.

THat being said he is higher than Izzy in accomplishments, but I hate it when people try to diminish Izzy one with over him. It reminds me of when people say he was piecing up Izzy before the KO as if Izzy wasn't piecing him up in every match before he lost.
 
OriginMMA said:
Compromised weight cut is a nice way of spinning weight bully but okay.

THat being said he is higher than Izzy in accomplishments, but I hate it when people try to diminish Izzy one with over him. It reminds me of when people say he was piecing up Izzy before the KO as if Izzy wasn't piecing him up in every match before he lost.
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Izzy had a great career no doubt

Alex's is far far better now
 
SalvadorAllende said:
Poatan is above Shogun. And it is not close.
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Show me a fight Alex has had against a bad style match up on paper and won?
Only answer is the rematch against Ank. He is a good fighter but he is largely benefitted from the UFC a) having no LHWs in general and no wrestlers at all. b) giving him perfect style match ups.

The booking debacle of Ank vs Rakic and then immediately giving Khalil a title fight is clear evidence that the UFC was giving him the Conor treatment. I think Alex would fight anyone so don't get me wrong, I am not claiming he is ducking anyone. There simply isn't anyone to duck aside from Ank and the UFC did that for him for as long as they could.

Shogun took on a lot more difficult style match ups and his best run was in Pride. 12 fight LHW (MW in Pride) win streak with 1 loss at HW to Coleman is > Alex's run in the UFC at LHW. Alex has literally continued his kickboxing career in MMA. How would Alex do against Randy? or Tito? or Machida?
 
dipstickjimmy said:
Show me a fight Alex has had against a bad style match up on paper and won?
Only answer is the rematch against Ank. He is a good fighter but he is largely benefitted from the UFC a) having no LHWs in general and no wrestlers at all. b) giving him perfect style match ups.

The booking debacle of Ank vs Rakic and then immediately giving Khalil a title fight is clear evidence that the UFC was giving him the Conor treatment. I think Alex would fight anyone so don't get me wrong, I am not claiming he is ducking anyone. There simply isn't anyone to duck aside from Ank and the UFC did that for him for as long as they could.

Shogun took on a lot more difficult style match ups and his best run was in Pride. 12 fight LHW (MW in Pride) win streak with 1 loss at HW to Coleman is > Alex's run in the UFC at LHW. Alex has literally continued his kickboxing career in MMA. How would Alex do against Randy? or Tito? or Machida?
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Shogun beat a lot of jabronis. Level of competition is not even close.

Prime vs Prime Alex kills sloppy Shogun inside 1 round
 
He is, but it needs to be kept in mind that he had a very atypical path in MMA. Signed at 3-1, given a title shot at 6-1. He was fast tracked to greatness, of course ultimately you still need to be able to deliver when you get put in that position, which he did, but still.
 
SalvadorAllende said:
Shogun beat a lot of jabronis. Level of competition is not even close.

Prime vs Prime Alex kills sloppy Shogun inside 1 round
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That person is arguing that Shogun somehow deserves more credit for not even being the best LHW in Pride at the time compared to Alex who is the best LHW.

All while also taking points away from Alex for not fighting a "Randy or a Tito type of fighter", when Shogun literally competed during that era and never fought them.

Make it make sense!
 
TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle said:
Yeah how could guys like Machida, Rampage, Reem, Chuck, Arona and Lil Nog compare to Jamahal Hill and Khalil Rountree.
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Khalil would have beaten the shit out of Skinnyreem Nogueira and even Machida. Chuck was just a brawler who got slept by Rampage. Arona LOL...

And you forgot to mention beating Jiri twice, Ankalaev and Blachowitz in Poatan resume.
 
TeenageMutantLesnarTurtle said:
I dont think thats a given at all. Regardless, the point I was making is i'm really not seeing how Poatan has fought a different level of competition than Shogun did.
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Fought or beaten? Because those are two different things entirely, and there's a lot more good (and mediocre) fighters Shogun also fought but lost to as well. Khalil and Hill get mentioned to put Pereira down somehow, but beating them's better than beating... uh James Te Huna?

Including Machida and Chuck (but not Forrest loss there eh) in your run also means you're not just sticking to just Pride so I'm not sure why we shouldn't include Pereira's MW wins too.

Shogun's a legend obviously, but I don't think it's exactly controversial to say Pereira's above him all time. Neither are first ballot top 5 level GOATs, but Pereira's got a much better claim to being in the 2nd-3rd level than Shogun who's way lower down and you're instead saying he's just somewhere in the top 50ish probably.
 
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