People thinking Miocic was bad vs Jones are stupid

[Luffy]

There are many "MMA/boxing analysts", like that ThePainGain dude, or that MMA Guru or wtv (this dude looks kinda disturbed tho) that sees the Jon Jones vs Stipe fight as underwhelming as it looked slow to them...

Nevermind the fact that if anything, Stipe proved that in that last fight that was meaningful to him, he was considerably better than Gane, Volkov, etc... Jon Jones vs Gane looked like a mismatch... Jon Jones vs Stipe looked like a fight in which someone could give Jon Jones some trouble, but only to an extent, mid difficulty.

Stipe was likely in a considerably better shape than vs Ngannou. He got older, but getting older doesn't always makes one worse. Sometimes taking a break off the game, finding a fight that they want (in case, since the start, Stipe said he'd go back to HW no matter whether JJ appeared there, but that with JJ there, that's the opponent that to him, made it perfect). He stated with that poker face in some podcasts that to him, fighting Jon Jones is even above the belt itself, that having his comeback be a super fight vs Jon Jones is great because he wanted to fight JJ above all). It could be seen after the JJ vs Gane fight, in which Stipe was soon interviewed, that he looked motivated and excited, he told about how it's such a big deal having Jon Jones as the opponent and that he was already preparing to push his training...

... When asked about Tom, Stipe sounded dismissive and even said "if I have to fight him, ok, we'll figure him out of JJ and I'll fight him, but my focus is on Jon Jones totally, that's what matters to me". That fight was already anticipated with both JJ and Stipe getting a win over DC. Stipe is often cited as not only the best HW, but the most complete one and the one with the highest fighting IQ... He likely sees the fighting IQ of Jon Jones, he knows JJ is the biggest name one can fight against in MMA, ever... He seemed to me to be having his motivation waning a little with time... He beat DC twice, then faced Ngannou after winning once, and the payment was just not good for those HWs... For Stipe, a reigning champion, the biggest name there alongside Ngannou, it might have been frustrating to be fighting constantly and earning so below what his abilities as a fighter would make it more than valid to earn way more... He's got kids, he's risking his healthy, and getting paid what he should of be paid more fairly would be a bigger motivator... As well as the fact he never adopted a trash talk posture because he is not that way, he isn't gonna fake something besides what he considers enough as a fighter... So despite being the best heavyweight, he was fighting monsters with a rewards far from what he deserved. The JJ fight brought the biggest fight money he had ever had, and JJ is arguably a name that excited him more. Ngannou maybe in the first fight, but fighting with him again, already not being satisfied with the ways of UFC but being mostly silent, likely didn't bring in him the motivation — which the JJ fight, with ppl doubting he should even be there, gave him plenty — Stipe said the fact people were already taking his loss for granted only fueled him even more, as he likes shutting people up.

That fight was likely against Miocic in which he had to offer as his best as a fighter.... Having already gained experience from many fights and having that motivation for one last time in such a significant event.

Jon Jones might be better now than he was in the past... He had an easier time vs Stipe than vs Cormier despite the fact this Stipe was likely better than the Cormier Jon Jones faced... And likely the best opponent he has already faced, the Stipe that, with the motivation for one last big show, is likely better than Ngannou and all heavyweights...

 

[JBGuy420]

I wouldn't consider getting brutally ko'd by Francis Ngannou "gaining experience."

 

[maximus__]

There are many "MMA/boxing analysts", like that ThePainGain dude, or that MMA Guru or wtv (this dude looks kinda disturbed tho) that sees the Jon Jones vs Stipe fight as underwhelming as it looked slow to them...

Nevermind the fact that if anything, Stipe proved that in that last fight that was meaningful to him, he was considerably better than Gane, Volkov, etc... Jon Jones vs Gane looked like a mismatch... Jon Jones vs Stipe looked like a fight in which someone could give Jon Jones some trouble, but only to an extent, mid difficulty.

Stipe was likely in a considerably better shape than vs Ngannou. He got older, but getting older doesn't always makes one worse. Sometimes taking a break off the game, finding a fight that they want (in case, since the start, Stipe said he'd go back to HW no matter whether JJ appeared there, but that with JJ there, that's the opponent that to him, made it perfect). He stated with that poker face in some podcasts that to him, fighting Jon Jones is even above the belt itself, that having his comeback be a super fight vs Jon Jones is great because he wanted to fight JJ above all). It could be seen after the JJ vs Gane fight, in which Stipe was soon interviewed, that he looked motivated and excited, he told about how it's such a big deal having Jon Jones as the opponent and that he was already preparing to push his training...

... When asked about Tom, Stipe sounded dismissive and even said "if I have to fight him, ok, we'll figure him out of JJ and I'll fight him, but my focus is on Jon Jones totally, that's what matters to me". That fight was already anticipated with both JJ and Stipe getting a win over DC. Stipe is often cited as not only the best HW, but the most complete one and the one with the highest fighting IQ... He likely sees the fighting IQ of Jon Jones, he knows JJ is the biggest name one can fight against in MMA, ever... He seemed to me to be having his motivation waning a little with time... He beat DC twice, then faced Ngannou after winning once, and the payment was just not good for those HWs... For Stipe, a reigning champion, the biggest name there alongside Ngannou, it might have been frustrating to be fighting constantly and earning so below what his abilities as a fighter would make it more than valid to earn way more... He's got kids, he's risking his healthy, and getting paid what he should of be paid more fairly would be a bigger motivator... As well as the fact he never adopted a trash talk posture because he is not that way, he isn't gonna fake something besides what he considers enough as a fighter... So despite being the best heavyweight, he was fighting monsters with a rewards far from what he deserved. The JJ fight brought the biggest fight money he had ever had, and JJ is arguably a name that excited him more. Ngannou maybe in the first fight, but fighting with him again, already not being satisfied with the ways of UFC but being mostly silent, likely didn't bring in him the motivation — which the JJ fight, with ppl doubting he should even be there, gave him plenty — Stipe said the fact people were already taking his loss for granted only fueled him even more, as he likes shutting people up.

That fight was likely against Miocic in which he had to offer as his best as a fighter.... Having already gained experience from many fights and having that motivation for one last time in such a significant event.

Jon Jones might be better now than he was in the past... He had an easier time vs Stipe than vs Cormier despite the fact this Stipe was likely better than the Cormier Jon Jones faced... And likely the best opponent he has already faced, the Stipe that, with the motivation for one last big show, is likely better than Ngannou and all heavyweights...

Stipe was 42 years old and last won a fight in 2020. He was working as a full time fire fighter prior to the camp and was completely out of the game.

Good on him for coming in and getting paid, but that fight was trash because initially both were retiring off it.
If Jones fights on, it's not a bad fight, but the reason people had a problem is there was no reason to hold up the HW division for a fight that could have happened at any time. WHen the interim is defending the belt with no chance to fight the actual champ, we have a problem. If Jones fights Tom, it's fine.

 

[AndrewGolota48]

They criticize Jones for moving up in weight and beating old inactive Stipe but give Khabib a pass for being terrified to do the same for old inactive GSP, instead demanding GSP make the cut to 155 for the first time in his life at nearly 40. Imagine Jones asking Stipe to do that at 205?!?!

It's hard to fathom, I don't think any other fighter in the history of MMA would make such a ridiculous demand and ruin the legendary superfight that all the fans wanted to see.

 

[joy2day]

 

[mkess101]

I'm 100% certain that TS could've showed us how dumb he is in a lot less words.

 

[Portland8242]

I'm 100% certain that TS could've showed us how dumb he is in a lot less words.

Yeah I was initially going to call it trolling but it appears he put a lot of thought and effort into this. So yes, it does appear he's just genuinely retarded. Unless he chatGPT'd it.

 

[VAfan]

the sad thing is that miocic would have beaten him 5 years ago.

 

[Ibm]

Imo opinion he looked better than he ever looked, the only thing is he was too hesitant. He should have unloaded more, he would have beaten Jones. oh well.

 

[Equinox Shadow]

Stipe was old, slow, rusty and should have stayed retired. Jones, as with most of his career, brought a brilliant strategy. Stipe has never fought anyone with that level of timing and athleticism, or faced that style of kicking game.

 

[TerrorTimmy]

They criticize Jones for moving up in weight and beating old inactive Stipe but give Khabib a pass for being terrified to do the same for old inactive GSP, instead demanding GSP make the cut to 155 for the first time in his life at nearly 40. Imagine Jones asking Stipe to do that at 205?!?!

It's hard to fathom, I don't think any other fighter in the history of MMA would make such a ridiculous demand and ruin the legendary superfight that all the fans wanted to see.

This thread isn't even about Khabib yet here you are posting about him anyway.

It's nice to know that, whatever happens in Khabib's future, he'll always be able to live rent free in your head

 

[13Seconds]

Hindsight is a motherfucker. We all possess that power.

Not to mention most people actually picked Jon to win vs Stipe in the lead up to their fight.

TS wrote this long bullshit thinking he's professor X when in reality he comes off as the generic meathead.

 

[Cazador Diurno]

Nah, you're just not an intelligent person.

 

[Hymen Crusher]

I guess I'm an idiot then because what I saw was a old guy there to collect a paycheck. He has to much pride to just fold because he isn't that type of man, but that's wasn't stipe out there.

 

[Arm Barbarian]

Replies on this didn't disappoint. You guys are a riot.

 

[BarbellzNbacon]

First Hitler, now this? Just stop it Bryce

 

[Kratos94]

That's enough sherdog for you, blue belt. Miocic looked really slow, stiff as hell and generally like someone that doesn't belong in there. He should have retired after being KO'd by Ngannou.

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

They criticize Jones for moving up in weight and beating old inactive Stipe but give Khabib a pass for being terrified to do the same for old inactive GSP, instead demanding GSP make the cut to 155 for the first time in his life at nearly 40. Imagine Jones asking Stipe to do that at 205?!?!

It's hard to fathom, I don't think any other fighter in the history of MMA would make such a ridiculous demand and ruin the legendary superfight that all the fans wanted to see.

Both should be criticized, however, Khabib only ducked a superfight, Jones pretended he was having a superfight to hold up a division.

 

[Luffy]

You guys didn't watch the fight then. Try watching it in slow motion and you guys will see the level of technique and analysis by JJ and Miocic in their exchanges. You guys confuse a fight that's dynamic, that is, with both fighters varying positions a lot, to one that is mostly technical, and think that if the fighters aren't bouncing around, they are being slow. A fighter will adopt different approaches depending on the fight... Poatan was pretty stiff in terms of movements in his second fight vs Jiri Prochazka... In his fight vs Rountree, however, he looked way faster, way more dynamic... Which is not to say Rountree is better than Jiri Prochakza, only that they had different approaches.

Stipe slowed down after getting 50 elbows (literally) by a HW JJ, many from the vertical position... And even still, he managed to be threatening sometimes, with high accuracy punches while fainting the most important hits.. For example, in one moment, he pressed JJ in the second round, while he had already lost that speed he had initially because of the first round 50 elbows (which, mind you, generally 3, 4 well connected elbows from LHW JJ would wobble his opponents to the point they'd struggle to be in the fight, like Gustaffson... Which just highlights Stipe's huge toughness... Far from someone waiting to get retired) fainting and accuracy made it challenging for JJ, who also adopted his high level defensive skills to avoid most of them... And the ones Stipe landed clean, didn't wobble Jon Jones, which also highlights JJ's chin, who has never wobbled in a fight, as likely the best of all times. If you pause just when Miocic looks slow when rushing JJ in the second round, you'll notice the slower movements are more noticeable from the arms Stipe is fainting the hits with, whereas the arm used to hit JJ is already hitting home, though JJ noticed the faints and blocked the attacks that were tried to be hidden by the faints, most times.

Watching the fight in slow motion should give you guys a notion of the level of the assessments done by both fighters during those exchanges. In one moment for example, Stipe, when rushing, realized JJ would likely move one way and set the heavy hit expecting JJ to move that way... JJ realized that quickly and adjusted his movement not to move where Miocic was making him go... More specifically, Miocic had JJ close to the cage and set up a right hand because moving to the left would be an easier way for JJ to get out of the range, so he expected Jon Jones to go there... Though JJ realized the right hand was being set up and moved to Miocic's right side instead (in he moved to the left, due to lack of space, Miocic would have bigger chances of hitting him with a straight right, while moving to the right would give him the spacing he needed to avoid the, then, right hook)... Jon Jones knew he needed to get away the distance of his arm range not to get hit, so to use the small space of that cage side, he stretched his arms to slightly parry Miocic's right hand and, at the same time, set just where he should step slightly backwards, so he could safely not get hit... Miocic realized that, still, and although JJ's stretched arms bought him a fraction of time, which was enough to barely get out of the way of Miocic's right hand, Miocic still made it closer still because he realized JJ intended to parry him to get enough time, so Stipe slid his right hand just across JJ's stretched arm to make it land as soon as posible... But that still was enough time for JJ to project his body backwards and barely but still, dodge the punch...

Even in the final kick, Jon Jones knew that Miocic protected well enough the most damaging body parts when he had tried the spin back kick two times before, so JJ projected his body as if he'd throw a straight left, which he had done moments before, so Miocic quickly raised his hands... then JJ quickly turned the thrust into a spinning kick to land exactly where he wanted... Miocic realized that as he started to bring his raised arms down, and his right leg up... But JJ landed just before it in the ribs...

It looks slow on the surface, but those are high level set ups from Stipe to disguise the intended shot the most and anticipate the movement, and defensive skills from JJ to quickly know to get just enough out of range... It's's just funny how these MMA fans who call others stupid don't see the irony, as in, they don't take the time to look deeper and just tag along with twitter trends... Ppl that lack the ability to see beyond what it looks like on the surface. That's the difference between MMA entertainment fans that like MMA drama over MMA more serious analysts like Luke Thomas... Though the entertainers nowadays get more engagement because ppl, understandably so, want the lazy but more dopamine quick reward stuff.

 

[gentel]

He did decently for a washed up 42y/o, but he was still a washed up 42y/o