International Peckham Restraint 'Scandal' - Protests Over Handling of Theft (?) (!)

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In the lead up to the 2020 election. There were 8 months of BLM / George Floyd riots, not to mention the Chaz zone, billions of damage to property and numbers of people killed … and the American public rewarded these riots by voting for Biden.
4/5 of that's true...
 
Shoplifting has been effectively decriminalised in large parts of the UK at the moment, because police simply refuse to attend when called by shop staff. It's bad enough for the big chains, like Tesco, but at least they can take a hit without folding. Smaller, independent shops don't have that luxury. Profit margins will be tight enough without losing stock to theft. So they are left with the choice of either trying to stop thieves themselves, with all the potential consequences that entails, or take a loss they can't afford.

That isn't the case, but there is an emphasis on shops to have decent CCTV that can assist with prosecution. If a shoplifter is detained then police will attend.

We had a store in Peterborough with a female loss prevention officer who stood at the door and told the 'shoplifting' types to turn around and fuck off. Her stock loss was virtually nil.

That's opposed to the usual mall cop who call police when known shoplifters walk in, then proceed to watch them steal and walk out before sending in the footage to police to then deal.
 
That isn't the case, but there is an emphasis on shops to have decent CCTV that can assist with prosecution. If a shoplifter is detained then police will attend.

We had a store in Peterborough with a female loss prevention officer who stood at the door and told the 'shoplifting' types to turn around and fuck off. Her stock loss was virtually nil.

That's opposed to the usual mall cop who call police when known shoplifters walk in, then proceed to watch them steal and walk out before sending in the footage to police to then deal.

I'm sorry, but that may be the case in your area, but in others coppers will simply not attend. One manager of a Co-op store was told by his local force that they would not attend for any theft with a value of less than £900. And even if the theft met the financial thresh-hold, they would require CCTV that included face shots of the shoplifters, or the manager to personally know their names.

As for mall cops not tackling shoplifters themselves, many are under orders not to use physical force, as the company they work for doesn't want to get sued because some little scroat got his head turned into a canoe. Others don't want to end up charged with assault if they use, "excessive force".
 
I'm sorry, but that may be the case in your area, but in others coppers will simply not attend. One manager of a Co-op store was told by his local force that they would not attend for any theft with a value of less than £900. And even if the theft met the financial thresh-hold, they would require CCTV that included face shots of the shoplifters, or the manager to personally know their names.

As for mall cops not tackling shoplifters themselves, many are under orders not to use physical force, as the company they work for doesn't want to get sued because some little scroat got his head turned into a canoe. Others don't want to end up charged with assault if they use, "excessive force".

The £900 story is pure fantasy. No Constabulary has put a minimum value on theft. There's numerous stories floating around of police not investigating theft, but what actually happened is that they wont physically attend due to resourcing issues. They'll record it remotely and assess whether it can be detected (IE named suspect, clear CCTV)

Every UK police force has extremely strict recording and investigation obligations set about under the home office counting rules and victims code of practice. I should know, I was one of the leadership teams who would get grilled by the HMIC in relation to this. Nothing has changed since I retired
 
The £900 story is pure fantasy. No Constabulary has put a minimum value on theft. There's numerous stories floating around of police not investigating theft, but what actually happened is that they wont physically attend due to resourcing issues. They'll record it remotely and assess whether it can be detected (IE named suspect, clear CCTV)

Every UK police force has extremely strict recording and investigation obligations set about under the home office counting rules and victims code of practice. I should know, I was one of the leadership teams who would get grilled by the HMIC in relation to this. Nothing has changed since I retired

Yeah, the whole, "we don't have the resources" excuse isn't going to fly. Not when two coppers can be dispatched to investigate a, "Hate Crime" because a middle-aged woman took a picture on her phone of a sticker that said, Stand by your Trans. To be clear: she didn't put the sticker up. She didn't post the picture online. All she did was take a photo of the sticker to show her partner. Plod still went to her home and warned her she may have offended someone.

Lack of resources didn't prevent seven coppers(literally)lifting a 16 year old Autistic girl with Scoliosis because she said one of the PCSO's reminded her of her lesbian nana, either:rolleyes:

Retail as an industry is losing a Billion quid a year to shoplifters, and the people at the highest levels of the Big Four are not impressed by the police service's performance.
 
Yeah, the whole, "we don't have the resources" excuse isn't going to fly. Not when two coppers can be dispatched to investigate a, "Hate Crime" because a middle-aged woman took a picture on her phone of a sticker that said, Stand by your Trans. To be clear: she didn't put the sticker up. She didn't post the picture online. All she did was take a photo of the sticker to show her partner. Plod still went to her home and warned her she may have offended someone.

Lack of resources didn't prevent seven coppers(literally)lifting a 16 year old Autistic girl with Scoliosis because she said one of the PCSO's reminded her of her lesbian nana, either:rolleyes:

Retail as an industry is losing a Billion quid a year to shoplifters, and the people at the highest levels of the Big Four are not impressed by the police service's performance.

That's by the by when making a claim that theft has been decriminalised. It hasn't.

Despite what the media say, 99.999% of policing isn't responding to anti-trans stickers or policing tweets. The demand is relentless for common and garden policing, especially due to things like domestics and burglaries/robberies. We went from 1 robbery a week on my first beat in 2000 to 3-4 a day by the time I left.

If you call up in the morning because your shed has been broken into and an officer doesn't attend, it's not through attending pride parades, it's because all officers are tied up dealing with the crime waves from the diversity or a general population who can't sort their own issues out.

I've just looked at Cambs latest stats and they receive 1300 non emergency calls and 600 emergency calls - per day.
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-66790189

A 45-year-old man has been interviewed under caution by the Met Police after a video was circulated of a woman being restrained by a male shopkeeper.

Hundreds of people gathered to protest outside Peckham Hair and Cosmetics, in Rye Lane, on Tuesday where the woman had been accused of theft.

Chants of "you touch one, you touch all" were heard and signs held saying "keep your hands off black women".

The shopkeeper told the BBC the footage had been viewed "out of context".

He said the footage on social media was "cropped" and did not show the whole incident in full. The shop remains closed and shuttered.

A 31-year-old woman was arrested on suspicion of assault on Tuesday and later released on bail.

People in Peckham were asked to remain calm after the video was circulated on social media.

The footage, which has been viewed more than a million times, appears to show a black woman inside the shop being grabbed by a much larger Asian man on Monday.

The woman struggled and hit the man with a shopping basket, which broke.

The man then held her by her arms and neck.

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Speaking to the BBC after Monday's incident but before Tuesday afternoon's protest, the shopkeeper said the woman had become aggressive when she was refused a refund on products she had previously bought at the store.

"We do not give refunds, we exchange items or give a credit note. So she grabbed some stuff [three packs of hair with a total value of £24] from the shelf and tried to leave. She was leaving and I was stopping her.

"I was stopping her. She slapped me in the face and grabbed a shopping basket and hit me on the head. I don't know when my hand goes around her neck. I was keeping her neutralised. I did not hit her.

"The video was cropped. People are acting at the half truth".

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Det Ch Supt Seb Adjei-Addoh, local policing commander for Southwark, said: "I would like to thank local people for their patience as we work to establish the full circumstances around the allegations made.

"We continue to examine various clips of footage that depict small sections of the wider incident and are working to establish what offences were committed and by whom.

"My officers will be patrolling Rye Lane today to provide reassurance to the community."

He added: "I know that this incident will cause concern and I urge anyone who is worried to speak with their local policing team or with officers on patrol."

Harriet Harman, Labour MP for Camberwell and Peckham, said she had asked for an "urgent report" from police.


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All right.

So an aggressive woman tries to steal a product from a local store and is aggressively restrained.

This leads to protests about how 'black women' in particular shouldn't be treated like this.

I'm struggling to sympathise with the 'victim' here, given the immediate victim is the store owner/store of an attempted theft.

I can understand the argument "but they wouldn't have restrained a large aggressive male", but I don't see this as "dangerous" to small black women if they don't steal.

I can also understand the argument "but this could happen to another woman who was wrongly thought to be stealing", and maybe that should get protests, but this particular incident...

... seems to me people are searching for an opportunity to play the victim card (oh help I'm a small woman) and find outrage about nothing.

Someone sane explain to me why this is protest-worthy outside of the arguments I just made?

Why should we explain your own political beliefs to you? You explain it to us. This is the kind of shit you support everywhere except in your own backyard.
 
I see the domestic terrorist group, BLM, decided to show up... Did they bring their self loathing ANTIFA buddies with them this time?

lol...
 
That's by the by when making a claim that theft has been decriminalised. It hasn't.

Despite what the media say, 99.999% of policing isn't responding to anti-trans stickers or policing tweets. The demand is relentless for common and garden policing, especially due to things like domestics and burglaries/robberies. We went from 1 robbery a week on my first beat in 2000 to 3-4 a day by the time I left.

If you call up in the morning because your shed has been broken into and an officer doesn't attend, it's not through attending pride parades, it's because all officers are tied up dealing with the crime waves from the diversity or a general population who can't sort their own issues out.

I've just looked at Cambs latest stats and they receive 1300 non emergency calls and 600 emergency calls - per day.

Are you suggesting the massive importing of immigrants has been a net negative?
 
He would have been justified in knocking her out in self-defense.

Well not there. You are not allowed self-defense there.

You definitely are allowed self defence here.

But maybe not in the minds of the protesters, but they're hardly a source of legal perfection...
 
That's by the by when making a claim that theft has been decriminalised. It hasn't.

Despite what the media say, 99.999% of policing isn't responding to anti-trans stickers or policing tweets. The demand is relentless for common and garden policing, especially due to things like domestics and burglaries/robberies. We went from 1 robbery a week on my first beat in 2000 to 3-4 a day by the time I left.

If you call up in the morning because your shed has been broken into and an officer doesn't attend, it's not through attending pride parades, it's because all officers are tied up dealing with the crime waves from the diversity or a general population who can't sort their own issues out.

I've just looked at Cambs latest stats and they receive 1300 non emergency calls and 600 emergency calls - per day.

Police Scotland are trialing not responding to, "low-level" crimes in one area. Again, the excuse given is lack of resources. This isn't a new phenomenon. Fifteen years ago, I was working in my local Tesco when two groups of teenagers, about 30 in total, decided to use our carpark to settle their differences. We locked the doors and called 999. I was happy to leave the Neds to kick the shit out of each other, but they'd brought their girlfriends with them.

You're an ex-copper; I'm sure you know exactly how nasty females can be. One teenage girl ended up on the tarmac, while half a dozen others tried to Pride kick her head off. I could see chunks of her hair getting pulled out by the roots. Being younger and even dumber than I am now, I opened the door, ran out, shoved the screaming Harpies out of the way and dragged their victim, face covered in blood, back inside. We called 999 again.

One hour later, my shift had ended, the Neds had disperesed and the lassie had left. I made sure the duty manager had my details, expecting Polis to call and take a statement. Came into work two days later and found out plod had finally rocked up three hours after the first 999 call. Took a couple of statements from the staff still there, but turned down thee offer to review CCTV. They never even bothered to contact me.

Police response wasn't very good fifteen years ago. It's a damn sight worse now.
 
Police Scotland are trialing not responding to, "low-level" crimes in one area. Again, the excuse given is lack of resources. This isn't a new phenomenon. Fifteen years ago, I was working in my local Tesco when two groups of teenagers, about 30 in total, decided to use our carpark to settle their differences. We locked the doors and called 999. I was happy to leave the Neds to kick the shit out of each other, but they'd brought their girlfriends with them.

You're an ex-copper; I'm sure you know exactly how nasty females can be. One teenage girl ended up on the tarmac, while half a dozen others tried to Pride kick her head off. I could see chunks of her hair getting pulled out by the roots. Being younger and even dumber than I am now, I opened the door, ran out, shoved the screaming Harpies out of the way and dragged their victim, face covered in blood, back inside. We called 999 again.

One hour later, my shift had ended, the Neds had disperesed and the lassie had left. I made sure the duty manager had my details, expecting Polis to call and take a statement. Came into work two days later and found out plod had finally rocked up three hours after the first 999 call. Took a couple of statements from the staff still there, but turned down thee offer to review CCTV. They never even bothered to contact me.

Police response wasn't very good fifteen years ago. It's a damn sight worse now.

That's police Scotland....may as well be discussing Team America World Police. They are literally a law unto themselves
 
why is england so pussified? seriously, how can you just allow cities to turn into shitholes of crime? why?
 
That's police Scotland....may as well be discussing Team America World Police. They are literally a law unto themselves

Well that, at least, we can agree on:)

Although given how many sexual predators are being brought to light in GMP and the Met, you Shandy-drinking puffs are catching up with us:D
 
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