Media Part 1 of a Jon Jones Documentary by Beige Frequency

[Buff]

Jones isn't his "own worst enemy".

The guy simply would not have achieved what he did in MMA without constant, ridiculous levels of cheating.

The rest is mental gymnastics to try to worm around that fact.



Only if you are a similar piece of shit lol. Most people never do the shit he did, and that includes those who achieved large financial success.

There isn't any nuance here. Guy is a fraud, a liar, and an overall slimy piece of shit. If you sympathize with him, it is likely you have some similar qualities.

You're on your high horse, clearly... And its that holier than thou attitude youre spitting that actually makes these situations a hundred times worse for the people living them... Like the guy doing the voice over, you have no idea what that world is like, therefore aren't in a position to look down on people, or offer your worthless opinion.

I'm hear "cheating", I see "everyone is on steroids". That's irrelevant to me.

You soft tagged something I said and called me a piece of shit without actually tagging me... Just because I can empathise with the dark side of human psychology doesn't necessarily mean thats the lifestyle I subscribe to, I've just experienced a lot of things in my life, both myself and through people close to me that you never will. For good or bad. I know the temptations, and I know the damage.

You're bringing his sporting accomplishments into a conversation I opened up about mental health - the two things are irrelevant, and I have a feeling you're really difficult to get along with in real life.

 

[TR1]

You want this to be a fact so you have convinced yourself it is a fact. It’s not.

The multiple times PEDs or traces of them were found in his system is fact enough for me.
His criminal record is fact enough for me.
His multiple lies, evasions and delusional statements are fact enough for me.

You are entitled to your delusions, but to anyone who isn't a shill of Limp Dick it really isn't rocket science (though he was on rocket fuel lol).

 

[kflo]

The multiple times PEDs or traces of them were found in his system is fact enough for me.
His criminal record is fact enough for me.
His multiple lies, evasions and delusional statements are fact enough for me.

You are entitled to your delusions, but to anyone who isn't a shill of Limp Dick it really isn't rocket science (though he was on rocket fuel lol).

I know it’s enough for you to think you are in a position to judge everything about the guy, and others. You don’t need much……

 

[TR1]

You're on your high horse, clearly... And its that holier than thou attitude youre spitting that actually makes these situations a hundred times worse for the people living them... Like the guy doing the voice over, you gave no idea what that world is like, therefore aren't in a position to look down on people, or offer your worthless opinion.
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Not a high horse. More of a "regular, not piece of shit human being" horse. It isn't a high standard, and if you feel that it is, again, maybe do some self reflection on why your standards are so low.

I am in as much place to offer my opinion as you are. Crying about it on a literal forum to share opinions is comical. You are not the only one who has "lived the real human condition" or w/e BS you use to try to obfuscate the reality that Jones is a steaming pile of shit.

I'm hear "cheating", I see "everyone is on steroids". That's irrelevant to me.

LOL, right. Everybody is on steroids, but some just seem to keep failing more tests than anyone else. oopsie, how does that keep happening!
You familiar with Occam's Razor? Apply it here.

You soft tagged something I said and called me a piece of shit without actually tagging me

I didn't call you a piece of shit, but now that you mention it, I think only a piece of shit would justify the numerous heinous things Jones has done in his personal and professional career.

I've just experienced a lot of things go in my life, both myself and through people close to me that you never will.

You have no idea what I've experienced in my life, so that is a stunning lack of self awareness on your part considering your whole argument of "life is tough, you don't know what he or me or whoever was through".
I've had people close to me suffer from substance abuse and addictions, amazingly they did not do 10% of what Jones has gotten himself into. Stop making excuses or justifying shitty behavior.

You're bringing his sporting accomplishments into a conversation I opened up about mental health - the two things are irrelevant.

Ehhh. He has exhibited the same failings and tendencies across the two. I'd say they are relevant.

Especially when people continue to peddle this nonsense about "if he just had self control, he would be the GOAT without the asterisk!".
Nah, he achieved his prominence in his sporting career by being a cheating piece of shit, just like he is in his personal life.

 

[TR1]

I know it’s enough for you to think you are in a position to judge everything about the guy, and others. You don’t need much……

Judging Jones is pretty easy, anybody who isn't a habitual criminal piece of shit can judge him pretty easily.

Interesting to see those here making excuses for him though. I am sure you are as generous when it comes to other, less famous criminals.

 

[Buff]

Not a high horse. More of a "regular, not piece of shit human being" horse. It isn't a high standard, and if you feel that it is, again, maybe do some self reflection on why your standards are so low.

I am in as much place to offer my opinion as you are. Crying about it on a literal forum to share opinions is comical. You are not the only one who has "lived the real human condition" or w/e BS you use to try to obfuscate the reality that Jones is a steaming pile of shit.


LOL, right. Everybody is on steroids, but some just seem to keep failing more tests than anyone else. oopsie, how does that keep happening!
You familiar with Occam's Razor? Apply it here.


I didn't call you a piece of shit, but now that you mention it, I think only a piece of shit would justify the numerous heinous things Jones has done in his personal and professional career.



You have no idea what I've experienced in my life, so that is a stunning lack of self awareness on your part considering your whole argument of "life is tough, you don't know what he or me or whoever was through".
I've had people close to me suffer from substance abuse and addictions, amazingly they did not do 10% of what Jones has gotten himself into. Stop making excuses or justifying shitty behavior.


Ehhh. He has exhibited the same failings and tendencies across the two. I'd say they are relevant.

Especially when people continue to peddle this nonsense about "if he just had self control, he would be the GOAT without the asterisk!".
Nah, he achieved his prominence in his sporting career by being a cheating piece of shit, just like he is in his personal life.

I'm not about yo get into all of that because I just did a massive bump and I'm about to go out... However, I will ask you one thing - if it wasnt for the steroids, woukd you still hate Jones as much, or is it the bad behaviour that bothers you?

One other thing to bear in mind is that some people love underdogs and turnaround stories - im more about the latter than the former, which Jones clearly isn't, as a champion... And yet he's still constantly expected to fail somehow.... He's an extremely paradoxical figure, like or hate, and with that paradox come these polarised opinions that we are currently displaying, which have turned to personal assumptions.

Funny how these things go, right?

 

[CannotWin]

Wife beating is indefensible... And yet somehow in his situation its become understandable, in so much that I can see how he ended up there

Its that feeling of everyone constantly being on at you, reminding you that you're supposed to be being a better person, doing this, not doing that... The pressure of trying to go clean, fucking up, trying to keep that under wraps, people close to you tugging on the heart strings and tweaking your buttons when you're high...

Bro, I'm neither saying it's OK, or that I've crossed that line, but God knows I've been in situations where I've thought about it, and I've acted like an enormous prick at some of my lowest moments... Luckily I've been reasonably able to turn my issues to my advantage, and I hope the same for him too

Wife beating is indefensible... BUUUUUUT...

 

[Buff]

Wife beating is indefensible... BUUUUUUT...

"Understandable"... Big difference.

For example, I understand the perceived sentiment that goes with racism, but I don't feel that way, so that's not how I see things myself.

 

[CannotWin]

"Understandable"... Big difference.

For example, I understand the perceived sentiment that goes with racism, but I don't feel that way, so that's not how I see things myself.

Dude, you just posted at the start that "haters gonna hate". Keep that same energy, my man. Jon Jones had more chances than most of us will ever get. This is not a "haters gonna hate" case. This is "guy is a pos" case.

Is he human? Yes.

Is he flawed? Yes.

Is he a sociopath pos? Yes.

Dont come at us with this bs.

 

[TR1]

I'm not about yo get into all of that because I just did a massive bump and I'm about to go out... However, I will ask you one thing - if it wasnt for the steroids, woukd you still hate Jones as much, or is it the bad behaviour that bothers you?

One other thing to bear in mind is that some people love underdogs and turnaround stories - im more about the latter than the former, which Jones clearly isn't, as a champion... And yet he's still constantly expected to fail somehow.... He's an extremely paradoxical figure, like or hate, and with that paradox come these polarised opinions that we are currently displaying, which have turned to personal assumptions.

Funny how these things go, right?

The steroids and cheating are only relevant for discussing his MMA greatness (fraud really). If he didn't cheat then obviously I'd still call him a piece of shit, but not an MMA fraud.

I don't really find anything paradoxical about him. Like I said before, guy is a habitual cheater, liar, and criminal. He has shown little to zero self awareness, accountability, or humility, despite having access to resources most regular people do.

 

[gunlok]

I like Jon Jones, he is one of those villians you want to root for. He has tons of flaws, but man, he keeps coming back, and it is almost a knife to the back - trying to pile on the guy, who is already in deep shit .I hope he gets the belt, he truly deserves his vindication, his big momet, where he becomes HW champion of the world. He will never ever be a pure MMA legend, like GSP, his legacy is just to muddy at this point, but still he needs to get to the p4p #1 spot one more time.

Plus, before you judge Jon Jones.... Think about it.. The guy is truly the victim of his own making. He is trying and man, have you read newspapers recently ? Or in the last 50 years? Jon Jones is not even top 1000000 bad guy out there. Yes, running away after crushing at car with pregnant woman should have got him something more than a trip to school to talk about importnace of education in legal sense. He got super easy. But at this point you can't really go and challenge the ruiling.

Judging Jones is pretty easy, anybody who isn't a habitual criminal piece of shit can judge him pretty easily.

Interesting to see those here making excuses for him though. I am sure you are as generous when it comes to other, less famous criminals.

Easy. Go read newspaper from whatever you are from. Unless, you are from some mythical island where everywhere people are dancing around and hugging each other and sing songs, you will probably read things that will make your hair stand up. I would rather root for a guy who is probably has a lot of chances to redeem himself. In fact, everyone has the opportunity to redeem themselves, Jon Jones is just in much better situation than a lot of those other poor souls. Man, if you don't give JJ a chance, then humanity is doomed, because there are like much much worse people, who can still be redeemed and who did a lot worse that Jon Jones.

 

[FrankDux]

People hate JJ because he's 100 % fake. Not because he's "human, and we all make our own mistakes".

 

[CannotWin]

I like Jon Jones, he is one of those villians you want to root for. He has tons of flaws, but man, he keeps coming back, and it is almost a knife to the back - trying to pile on the guy, who is already in deep shit .I hope he gets the belt, he truly deserves his vindication, his big momet, where he becomes HW champion of the world. He will never ever be a pure MMA legend, like GSP, his legacy is just to muddy at this point, but still he needs to get to the p4p #1 spot one more time.

Plus, before you judge Jon Jones.... Think about it.. The guy is truly the victim of his own making. He is trying and man, have you read newspapers recently ? Or in the last 50 years? Jon Jones is not even top 1000000 bad guy out there. Yes, running away after crushing at car with pregnant woman should have got him something more than a trip to school to talk about importnace of education in legal sense. He got super easy. But at this point you can't really go and challenge the ruiling.


Easy. Go read newspaper from whatever you are from. Unless, you are from some mythical island where everywhere people are dancing around and hugging each other and sing songs, you will probably read things that will make your hair stand up. I would rather root for a guy who is probably has a lot of chances to redeem himself. In fact, everyone has the opportunity to redeem themselves, Jon Jones is just in much better situation than a lot of those other poor souls. Man, if you don't give JJ a chance, then humanity is doomed, because there are like much much worse people, who can still be redeemed and who did a lot worse that Jon Jones.

So because there are actual child molesters out there nobody else can be scum? This is not P4P worst people in history, dude. You know what this is?

Copium. Absolute copium by people who want to live vicariously through Jon Jones unaccountable piece of shit behavior.

 

[Buff]

Dude, you just posted at the start that "haters gonna hate". Keep that same energy, my man. Jon Jones had more chances than most of us will ever get. This is not a "haters gonna hate" case. This is "guy is a pos" case.

Is he human? Yes.

Is he flawed? Yes.

Is he a sociopath pos? Yes.

Dont come at us with this bs.

Well of course he's a sociopath... Thats what makes him such a great fighter... Jesus, are we watching badminton here?

My point is that people who haven't been around the temptations and people hes been around aren't in a position to say what they'd do... Maybe not you, or the other guy I've been talking to in here, but a lot of people would KILL for the benefits rather than the accomplishments, and maybe there's an element of entitlement that came with his brothers.

I'm not defending, I'm empathising. Not because I'm a marauding wife beater, or because I respect his antics... Once that slide starts, it's just hard to pull it back.

 

[CannotWin]

Well of course he's a sociopath... Thats what makes him such a great fighter... Jesus, are we watching badminton here?

My point is that people who haven't been around the temptations and people hes been around aren't in a position to say what they'd do... Maybe not you, or the other guy I've been talking to in here, but a lot of people would KILL for the benefits rather than the accomplishments, and maybe there's an element of entitlement that came with his brothers.

I'm not defending, I'm empathising. Not because I'm a marauding wife beater, or because I respect his antics... Once that slide starts, jts the hard to pull it back.

Not saying what I would do. Saying the jury is out on JJ. The man is a pos. Not "hatin a playah" over here. The man is garbage as a person. The end.

And on your point about the sport as a whole, I very much care if a fighter I am warching and indirectly supporting is a Hermes França or Warmachine type, or a GSP or Max Holloway.

You may not care, I and many others very much do.

 

[snackgod]

One of the things that the people who constantly point out his faults will never understand is that the reason some people refuse to dislike Jon Jones at this stage isn't because he's seen as some kind if hero to degenerates, or a master criminal bad boy type... Its because he's so incredibly human and igs so easy to imagine the money, the fame, the adulation, and the partying going to your head and taking you down roads you once were against...

Its a funny thing, having and accepting mental issues, and problems with addiction... One moment you're the king of the world, and then a couple of bad days happen and your life is in the shitter with everyone around you either disappointed in your or gloating at your failures... And then you end up absorbing that energy ad letting it manifest into a caricatured version of who you once were...

It doesn't matter your professional field, your personality type (to a point), your age, race, sexuality, or whatever...This kind of meltdown can happen to anyone at any time that isn't on top of themselves, and with good people they respect around them...There are bad apples and seeds everywhere, but I've been through so much in my own life that I can't judge another man on his demons, albeit there are unsavory aspects there, this i can't deny... I just hate to see potential squandered for nothing, and I still have some (probably fantastic) hopes about him making a comeback and doing well, but yeah... I dunno... I guess my point is glass houses.

This guy with the vouceover making the video would give his right arm to taste some of the pleasures Jones has had put his way, and isn't in a position to comment on how he'd behave in the same situation.

Haters gonna hate.

so cause i dont think jon jones is a good person or a good father or a good husband and a cheater makes be a hater? im just pointing out facts. i dont live in a glass house i was jsut rasied to respect woman and other people so if that makes me a jerk so be it.

 

[Buff]

Not saying what I would do. Saying the jury is out on JJ. The man is a pos. Not "hatin a playah" over here. The man is garbage as a person. The end.

And on your point about the sport as a whole, I very much care if a fighter I am warching and indirectly supporting is a Hermes França or Warmachine type, or a GSP or Max Holloway.

You may not care, I and many others very much do. This

Bro, you can't compare Jones to Hermes Franca ffs... Theres enormous levels there.

I'm not even trying to say anything contrary to what you're saying apart from Franca, I was just saying that I understand the psychology a little.

I gotta run anyway, I'll be back eventually.

 

[Buff]

so cause i dont think jon jones is a good person or a good father or a good husband and a cheater makes be a hater? im just pointing out facts. i dont live in a glass house i was jsut rasied to respect woman and other people so if that makes me a jerk so be it.

No, I probably shouldn't have finished with the "HGH" line, but I was pretty wasted... Glad you have such a strong opinion of yourself though.

 

[kflo]

Judging Jones is pretty easy, anybody who isn't a habitual criminal piece of shit can judge him pretty easily.

Interesting to see those here making excuses for him though. I am sure you are as generous when it comes to other, less famous criminals.

Yeah Jon is the most reprehensible criminal the USA has seen. And I think anyone who has any criminal history should get the death penalty.

 

[NoSmilez]

Jon is on drugs but you can give your favorite fighter that he fought as much steroids as you want. Jon will most likely win against them. I dislike him for being fake good person but he is one of the best fighter we ever seen in this sport. I will root against him every single time and know I will come up short and that is acceptable to me.