Crime Parents Charged After Pitbull Bites Baby's Head Open

what's the thing about the kilo name, analogy to cocaine?

Im from a metric system country, so kilo is a everyday thing and I wouldn't do the first association with drugs. 😅

Yea I suspect it's named after cocaine
 
Again, who cares? There's hundreds of millions-- possibly even billions-- of sharks in the ocean. Know how many global shark fatalities there were last year? 4.
Sure, but there are far fewer people in the ocean than there is on land, and very few people will ever interact with a shark, knowingly or unknowingly. Sharks mind their business for the most part. It's not a good comparison. The domestic animal argument works just fine. Pits do seem to hold the title for fatal domestic animal attacks.
 
Pit Bulls are incredible beasts.

i have seen footage of them (or x-breeds with a lot of Pit blood) being used to hunt boar and feral hogs in the US, their physical bravery is really something to behold. When you see them launching themselves at dangerous creatures like 3-4x their size, you genuinely think they would have a go at any animal on earth and fuck the consequences if that is what they were trained to do and/or their owner set them to it

its something i have been thinking about a bit recently as I have been looking at working dogs in general, and the effects of breeding over generations. In the case of Pits, as one working Pit owner put it, their instinct for self-preservation has been bred out of them and compared to other breeds their pain threshold is so high that they will carry on (EG) fighting a boar even if injured, where other breeds would be discouraged (even some pretty badass types like Malinois, they have been bred as cattle dogs to 'pick their battles', show discretion in their choices and avoid injury).

over many generations they were bred, as far as I can work out, for extremely high energy output, their insane power-weight ratio and stamina kindof demands a high-energy lifestyle I suppose I would say, and I wonder if quite apart from 'bad owners' that encourage aggressive behaviour, much of the issue might not be with under-exercised and under-stimulated dogs, and their genes asserting themselves.
 
Again, who cares? There's hundreds of millions-- possibly even billions-- of sharks in the ocean. Know how many global shark fatalities there were last year? 4.

That's less than a tenth the fatalities alleged against Pit Bulls in the USA alone last year! So we gonna allow people to drop their sharks into public pools to keep them company, now?
america is a fairly dog loving country, they love them more than they do children, and while there are probably not enough deaths to ban the dogs, the sheer violence from those dogs are probably underreported. In certain parts of los angeles, it's not uncommon to see those dogs get loose and roam with no owner, and while they might not kill, they can and do seriously injure people and go unreported..... getting a bill to ban the dog might now happen, however legislation that says that dangerous looking dogs can be killed on sight by law enforcement would be a good way of notifying owners to take care of your business.
 
Sure, but there are far fewer people in the ocean than there is on land, and very few people will ever interact with a shark, knowingly or unknowingly. Sharks mind their business for the most part. It's not a good comparison. The domestic animal argument works just fine. Pits do seem to hold the title for fatal domestic animal attacks.
It's not as disproportionate as you think. Over 40% of the world's population lives within 50 miles of the ocean, and over 70% of the world's shark population lives & roams within 10 miles of shore.

But that isn't really the primary point of the analogy, is it? You missed it, too, lost in a secondary parallel. The point is that we don't measure the absolute danger presented by a distinct population to assess whether or not it is appropriate to develop special restrictions and laws governing that population.

For example, moving to humans, what about convicted :eek::eek::eek::eek:philes? There's nearly 700K of them in the USA. The vast majority of those live outside prisons. We know that sex offenders against children have among the highest rates of recidivism of all criminals. Once a diddler, always a diddler. Due to this, they disproportionately wield a huge threat to our children relative to all citizens who haven't yet been convicted of an offense; fortunately, most never will...but some will. However, reminding ourselves of the Minority Report moral lesson, just because we know they are the most likely to be victimizers in the future doesn't mean they will be. Furthermore, similar to Pit Bulls, probably somewhere close to 99.9% of them won't commit a sexual offense this year.

Naturally, we force them to be committed to special registration lists, to warn neighbors of their history, to not let them have certain jobs, to not let them live within a certain distance of schools or other locations with concentrated populations of children.

But let me ask you this. If these criminals weren't humans, that most special group of self-conscious brethren of our unique species capable of change, remorse, and our considerations of humanity, and the soul, but instead this group were mere dogs, as much as we love dogs...what do you think we'd do about this population? What would you do?
 
But let me ask you this. If these criminals weren't humans, that most special group of self-conscious brethren of our unique species capable of change, remorse, and our considerations of humanity, and the soul, but instead this group were mere dogs, as much as we love dogs...what do you think we'd do about this population? What would you do?
Well, you're just comparing offenders, so that's an easy question to answer. You put them down. For your PDF file comparison to work, it would be under the assumption that all humans have the mere potential to be one, and we would be deciding the fate of the entire species over that "potential". You're judging an entire species over the actions of a relative few. I wouldn't think it would be fair to judge the entire species on that trait they may or may not have.

Anyways, I'm not that far apart from you, if you're suggesting that some rules need to be in place. I'm all for designating pits as a breed that should require licenses to own one, and contracts with the full knowledge that it's on you if it goes nuts one day. I think it's silly to just hand them over to anyone. I'd say the same for some other breeds too. If you're suggesting culling the entire species because a relative few have snapped and hurt/killed people, then no, I don't agree with that.
 
Well, you're just comparing offenders, so that's an easy question to answer. You put them down. For your PDF file comparison to work, it would be under the assumption that all humans have the mere potential to be one, and we would be deciding the fate of the entire species over that "potential". You're judging an entire species over the actions of a relative few. I wouldn't think it would be fair to judge the entire species on that trait they may or may not have.
That's precisely the point. We don't know which humans will commit this crime. Until we do, everyone is a potential offender. This is merely to set up the consideration of probabilities of offense between the two groups; those who have offended in the past (Pit Bulls), and those who haven't (all other breeds). The disparity in the analogy is that Pit Bulls haven't necessarily already offended to be considered an acute threat, but that's irrelevant to this portion of the analogy.

Separately, even among those we know are much more likely to be offenders, we still don't know who will re-offend. Even if the chance they ultimately did re-offend was very low relative to their whole population, when considering it is so much greater than everyone else, does that really matter to us in how we perceive and treat the threat?

Finally, I think how starkly disproportionate the violence rates are conveys a deeper issue with these breeds, but the numbers are alarming depending on your perspective. There were 66 fatalities attributed to dogs last year in the USA. It's tentative for now, largely based on photos and police reports, but 45 of these are attributed to Pit Bulls.

Know how many homicides there were in Japan last year? 970. That's a nation of 125 million people: more than a third the size of the USA.
 
I often see a lot of pro pitbull advocates argue that's not the case.

That it is in fact other dog breeds like rottweilers that do more attacks. But not sure if they're full of shit or not. Hard to be objective when you can't even agree on the facts.
- Rots are far bigger, more powerful. But pits populations far outnumber them.
And they're wrong. Even with empiric data, i never knew someone attacked by a rot. I grew with one from my uncle, and my cousing had two.
 
Well, you're just comparing offenders, so that's an easy question to answer. You put them down. For your PDF file comparison to work, it would be under the assumption that all humans have the mere potential to be one, and we would be deciding the fate of the entire species over that "potential". You're judging an entire species over the actions of a relative few. I wouldn't think it would be fair to judge the entire species on that trait they may or may not have.

Anyways, I'm not that far apart from you, if you're suggesting that some rules need to be in place. I'm all for designating pits as a breed that should require licenses to own one, and contracts with the full knowledge that it's on you if it goes nuts one day. I think it's silly to just hand them over to anyone. I'd say the same for some other breeds too. If you're suggesting culling the entire species because a relative few have snapped and hurt/killed people, then no, I don't agree with that.
- They are here. BUt the low-lifes still find them and let them reprocude, after that, they throw the dogs out.
 
Again, who cares? There's hundreds of millions-- possibly even billions-- of sharks in the ocean. Know how many global shark fatalities there were last year? 4.

That's less than a tenth the fatalities alleged against Pit Bulls in the USA alone last year! So we gonna allow people to drop their sharks into public pools to keep them company, now?
- We had a thread on the mayberry, theres several more sharks interactions with humans than what we used to think before. Drones capture them all the time, very close to swimmers at beaches, and theres rarelly any attack. And those filmed were great withe sharks.
 
Hey guys what percent of 4.5 mil is 66 ? That's 2023s killed by pitbulls number .

I suck at math .... that's like 100 percent chance of pitbull attack right
- Pits are still average sized dogs, they arent Alabai or ovcharka, their destructive power is far overrated.

The thing theres a far bigger chance of getting attacked by a pit, than some Rotweillers roaming the streets. And pits usually attack smaller target, they're still predators and arent usually instintive stupid enough to attack largers preys.
 
Left baby alone with 8 year old sibling and pitbull known to be violent.

Thats pretty much all the evidence you need to lock these idiots up for life imo.

Its a miracle nothing happened to the 8 year old.
 
- Pits are still average sized dogs, they arent Alabai or ovcharka, their destructive power is far overrated.

The thing theres a far bigger chance of getting attacked by a pit, than some Rotweillers roaming the streets. And pits usually attack smaller target, they're still predators and arent usually instintive stupid enough to attack largers preys.
Brah, I've seen clips of pitbulls attacking horses and cattle like retards because they got too much game in them LOL
 
Brah, I've seen clips of pitbulls attacking horses and cattle like retards because they got too much game in them LOL
- I've seen that one that tryied his lucky against a Moose. But not all of them are that stupid.
 
I love Dogs. My neighbour owns a Rottweiler that must weigh north of 100lbs, and I'll roll around on the grass with him like he's still a puppy.

I'll happily make friends with Dobermans, Mastiffs, German(and Belgian)Shepherds and Rhodesian Ridgebacks. But Pitbulls and XL Bullies are two of the few dog breeds I'll cross the street to avoid. It's just not worth the risk.
I'd stay away from Dobermans. Im not an expert, but it seems they have a genetic flaw that makes their brain grow more than their skull. So they start to get crazy after a while.
i have a College friend that had to put down 2 dobermans his family had guarding a piece of land they own, cause they wouldn't recognize anyone anymore and just be frenzied 24/7.
 
I’d leave my child alone with a Pitbull before leaving them alone with a right winger. Now THAT is dangerous.
It is, the kids would prolly start to outsmart you at every turn.
 
I'd stay away from Dobermans. Im not an expert, but it seems they have a genetic flaw that makes their brain grow more than their skull. So they start to get crazy after a while.
i have a College friend that had to put down 2 dobermans his family had guarding a piece of land they own, cause they wouldn't recognize anyone anymore and just be frenzied 24/7.
- I think that was a mith.
 
- I think that was a mith.
Is it? Idk, when i was little living in Brazil it used to be a kinda common dog, and every one of them went berserk as they got older. My grandpa had one that was a wreck, he had to give him away (i was little, he prolly put it down too, but that was what he told us)
 
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