Out of the GOATs, does Jon Jones have the best resumé?

[Takes Two To Tango]

No, I get that. I just don’t know that I agree that those are the most commonly named top 3. We’ve got a gigantic GOAT poll mega thread stickied here, and those aren’t the top 3. Silva is a distant 4th.

I don’t think I understand. “Of all the GOATs” is right in your thread title. Wouldn’t we have to have GOAT talk to determine whose resumes we are comparing to Jones?

I know what you mean, but I'm just saying we're talking about who has fought the toughest competition. The GOAT talk can have several layers to it. About PEDs. Other extracurricular activities outside of the cage. That's why Jones is looked upon as not the GOAT based on those reasons.

But again this thread is just basically who fought the best guys. But whatever, it's all good.

Just to let you know, I have Fedor as the GOAT even though I think his resume is not as strong as Jon Jones.

 

[ScarfaceJr]

most of his resume after he won a belt is full of blown up mw's who were past their prime when he fought them.

 

[BFoe]

I know what you mean, but I'm just saying we're talking about who has fought the toughest competition. The GOAT talk can have several layers to it. About PEDs. Other extracurricular activities outside of the cage. That's why Jones is looked upon as not the GOAT based on those reasons.

But again this thread is just basically who fought the best guys. But whatever, it's all good.

Just to let you know, I have Fedor as the GOAT even though I think his resume is not as strong as Jon Jones.

Ah I think I see. You’re saying, “Fuck the PED talk, and the other stuff, and just compare resumes.” I can dig that.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

Ah I think I see. You’re saying, “Fuck the PED talk, and the other stuff, and just compare resumes.” I can dig that.

Thanks my friend, I always respect your opinion. : - )

 

[DesiredUserName]

I am not impressed with Jones' performance. GSP all the way...

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

Poll needs a best resume with peds asterisks it's just dishonest to ignore he cheated to the top.

 

[Dr Guildo]

I think Fedors resume is slightly better cus of HW.

 

[Lee_]

This type of mental gymastics takes work. Its like the people waiting outside of the whitehouse saying Trump won.


Lyoto Machida- is a MW though he was UNDEFEATED LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION?
Rashad Evans - is a MW though he was UNDEFEATED LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION? and HEAVY WEIGHT TUF WINNER?
Rampage was OLD at 31?
Shogun was OLD at 29 years OLD?


Got damn, try and make it make sense or just say, "I dont like the guy"

I liked him early on in his career before he showed his true colors.

Machida and Rashad are way smaller than Jones and aren’t goat level wins. The accolades you mentioned do nothing to change that (you didn’t provide any information that I didn’t already know by the way).

Hard concept for Sherdoggers to grasp, but fighters fall off a cliff very often after 8-10 years in MMA; so if they started young it frequently happens around the age that rampage and Shogun were. Fedor and Cain both started doing badly around 32. In any case if you watched Pride you would know that those fighters were not the same as they once were at the time they fought Jones.

It’s really not good to get your knowledge from Fight Finder. My post actually made perfect sense. But you would have had to watch all the old fights to know that.

 

[MrFreeze]

GSP has the best combined record of all the goats imo
GSP's 494-71 compared to JJ's 417-171

A lot of JJ early lhw wins were pride mw's on the slide, but he was also so young at the time that it balances out

Overall I still think Gsp has the superior resume

 

[AdamWarlock]

Fedor

 

[icemun]

I liked him early on in his career before he showed his true colors.

Machida and Rashad are way smaller than Jones and aren’t goat level wins. The accolades you mentioned do nothing to change that (you didn’t provide any information that I didn’t already know by the way).

Hard concept for Sherdoggers to grasp, but fighters fall off a cliff very often after 8-10 years in MMA; so if they started young it frequently happens around the age that rampage and Shogun were. Fedor and Cain both started doing badly around 32. In any case if you watched Pride you would know that those fighters were not the same as they once were at the time they fought Jones.

It’s really not good to get your knowledge from Fight Finder. My post actually made perfect sense. But you would have had to watch all the old fights to know that.

You're confusing height for mass, which happens if you're not familiar with combat sports.

So in combat sports weight classes are determined by mass, not height. Rashad was not only bigger than Jones at that point their careers, he cut down from being a HW on TUF.
They were both open about Rashad being able to hold Jones down at Jacksons being bigger (heavier) at the time.

Rashad was an UNDEFEATED Light Heavy Weight champion. Not a MW champion. He also won the UFC's heavy weight TUF competition
Machida was an UNDEFEATED Light Heavy Weight champion. Not a MW champion. Hell he fought at HW too.


Just because someone is "shorter" doesnt make them a lower weight class, especially if they were undefeated and champions at Light Heavy Weight.

The thing to remember is, weight classes are determined by mass which is measured in pounds.

Jones was 217lbs against a 230lb Shogun 29 years old when they fought. 230lbs > 217lbs


The average age of LHW champions since the inception of the UFC was 35 years old, Jones was 23. So to him, everyone was older. But if you think 29 years old is "old" for a champion, you're further confused about age in addition to how weight classes work.

 

[Lee_]

You're confusing height for mass, which happens if you're not familiar with combat sports.

So in combat sports weight classes are determined by mass, not height. Rashad was not only bigger than Jones at that point their careers, he cut down from being a HW on TUF.
They were both open about Rashad being able to hold Jones down at Jacksons being bigger (heavier) at the time.

Rashad was an UNDEFEATED Light Heavy Weight champion. Not a MW champion. He also won the UFC's heavy weight TUF competition
Machida was an UNDEFEATED Light Heavy Weight champion. Not a MW champion. Hell he fought at HW too.


Just because someone is "shorter" doesnt make them a lower weight class, especially if they were undefeated and champions at Light Heavy Weight.

The thing to remember is, weight classes are determined by mass which is measured in pounds.

Jones was 217lbs against a 230lb Shogun 29 years old when they fought. 230lbs > 217lbs


The average age of LHW champions since the inception of the UFC was 35 years old, Jones was 23. So to him, everyone was older. But if you think 29 years old is "old" for a champion, you're further confused about age in addition to how weight classes work.

I'm not going to debate someone that ignores my argument. You went off in another direction with this, and I'm not going to retype my argument. I was talking about Shogun being out of his prime, WTF does his weight have anything to do with what I said? Never said anything about height, so I don't know where you got that either. Are you able to read my mind and know I really meant height and not weight? And that's not what I said about him being old, go back and read my post again, take a debate or critical thinking course, and go watch some Pride fights. Then maybe we can talk. Have a good night.

 

[Actualized174]

Jones 2011 run was legendary.

 

[pankrat]

I am a fellow GSP fan, but am going to have to disagree with you. If all of those guys were LHW sized and in their prime when they fought Jones, I would agree with you. But the vast majority of the best guys on that list were a shell of their former self or were MW sized when Jon fought them. DC is far and away the best on that list in terms of his abilities when he fought Jones, but there are of course other questions about those wins.

On the other hand, GSP fought most of those guys when they were at their best. Fitch was on something like a 16 fight win streak. His opponents were also formidable, and generally were in or closer to their prime.

Stephan Bonnar- Not that impressive as an opponent
Brandon Vera- Not that impressive as an opponent
Vladimir Matyushenko- Not that impressive as an opponent
Ryan Bader- not that good at the time
Shogun- old
Rampage Jackson- old
Lyoto Machida- MW
Rashad Evans- MW
Vitor Belfort-MW/ old
Chael Sonnen- MW
Alexander Gustafsson - 2x- fairly impressive aside from picos
Glover Teixeira- fairly impressive aside from picos
Daniel Cormier- quite impressive aside from the picos
Ovince Saint Preux- Not that impressive as an opponent
Anthony Smith- Not that impressive as an opponent
Thiago Santos- Not that impressive as an opponent
Dominick Reyes- Not that impressive as an opponent

Fitch wasnt at his peak, evolved his standup from that point and also collected most of his best wins. Even Fitch himself acknowledges that way.

Not to mention the classic double standard we see in these boards from GSP fans.
Fitch is a legitimate top contender and GOAT win while Maia is a contender of a "weak" division and a mediocre win

Then we saw how it went when they fought each other but the bias is strong

 

[Pitier of Fools]

Arugably he does....

But he also has the most failed drug tests.

 

[Juice]

This type of mental gymastics takes work. Its like the people waiting outside of the whitehouse saying Trump won.


Lyoto Machida- is a MW though he was UNDEFEATED LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION?
Rashad Evans - is a MW though he was UNDEFEATED LIGHT HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION? and HEAVY WEIGHT TUF WINNER?
Rampage was OLD at 31?
Shogun was OLD at 29 years OLD?


Got damn, try and make it make sense or just say, "I dont like the guy"

Exactly. All he did was make a bunch of terrible excuses to discredit Jones wins.

Like you said. It's pretty obvious he just don't like Jones, you know, like the rest of the haters in this thread LMAO.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

Regardless of his past indiscretions with PEDs.

Out of all the GOATs, I believe Jon Jones has the best resumé. He fought the toughest competition. More than Fedor, GSP, Anderson Silva, Mighty Mouse, Aldo or Khabib.

Also he can even cement even more if he becomes HW champion.

And this is coming from a huge Fedor fan.

Jon Jones notable wins:

Stephan Bonnar
Brandon Vera
Vladimir Matyushenko
Ryan Bader
Shogun
Rampage Jackson
Lyoto Machida
Rashad Evans
Vitor Belfort
Chael Sonnen
Alexander Gustafsson - 2x
Glover Teixeira
Daniel Cormier
Ovince Saint Preux
Anthony Smith
Thiago Santos
Dominick Reyes

Edit: Just to clarify this is not about GOAT talk or if he took PEDs. It's talking about who fought the toughest competition in their careers.

If it's about who's the GOAT, I'd choose Fedor.

Picograms /thread

 

[icemun]

I'm not going to debate someone that ignores my argument. You went off in another direction with this, and I'm not going to retype my argument. I was talking about Shogun being out of his prime, WTF does his weight have anything to do with what I said? Never said anything about height, so I don't know where you got that either. Are you able to read my mind and know I really meant height and not weight? And that's not what I said about him being old, go back and read my post again, take a debate or critical thinking course, and go watch some Pride fights. Then maybe we can talk. Have a good night.

There is no debate

You typed that Rashad (undefeated LHW champion) and Lyoto (undefeated LHW champion) were some how middleweights.

I addressed and clarified your confusion/ignorance regarding weight classes.

 

[icemun]

Arugably he does....

But he also has the most failed drug tests.

He's the only GOAT that had title defences during USADA

some of the "GOATS" fought in a time and organizations where there were no drug tests; further, steroids were encouraged.

 

[arcadeperfect]

Yes. He also has the best year (2011) that hasn't been beaten. 4 fights, all finishes, 3 of them title fights over recent champions and one of them being over an undefeated prospect in Bader who went on to have a good career. No fighter has had a year more successful.