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Discussion in 'Weapons and Tactics' started by Krossinc, Apr 30, 2008.

  1. Krossinc Design is el cool

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    Hey, quick question for many of you. I've decided to purchase a 12 gauge shotgun for self-defense in the home. Recently, our neighbors dog was actually shot (Dachsund, by a .22) and then thrown over our fence to try and make it look like our dogs had mauled it. It's occurred to me that I'm not comfortable with the situation so I am purchasing a firearm. While that story was unnecessary for the question I'm still pretty rocked by the fact someone would kill a dog for no reason.

    A few questions. I'm looking at a REMINGTON 870. The gun will occasionally see target practice but will generally be for at-home defense (bird/buck shot). From what I've read it seems like a solid choice, I was just looking for opinions.

    Also, I've noticed prices differ greatly. I've seen things like 'express super magnum,' 'marine magnum, 'tactical,' 'express self-defense'. The Express Self-defense is the cheapest so tell me to get that one! Also, buying online. Why is it so much cheaper and is it worth buying online or should I stick to a store/show.
     
  2. brackis1 Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    If you can find a better deal online; go for it. Don't forget about the FFL transfer fee to go pick it up when shipped is gonna cost 20-75 dollars depending on the shops around you.
    If it's just for beat around/home defense then getting something used might also be wise to save money.
     
  3. Quintessons Blue Belt

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    If you're just looking for home defense and don't want to spend much, try a gun shop they might have used shotguns. Also even WalMart sells some Mossbergs pretty cheap. I recommend you go to a shooting range and try different types, and see which one you like better. I was at the range yesterday, and I didn't shot a shotgun, Im buying a rifle, just to shoot and go hunting.
     
  4. Krossinc Design is el cool

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    I've used firearms in the past but never had one of my own, so I'm not familiar with all the fees that you mentioned. If there's any further information about that I'd love to hear it. I'd prefer to buy new.
     
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    When you buy online, the weapon cannot be transferred to you. They have to send it to an FFL dealer, like your local gun shop. And they usually charge a fee for the transfer. The fee can vary from shop to shop.
     
  6. Krossinc Design is el cool

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    Thanks, I'll find out that in the morning.
     
  7. Krossinc Design is el cool

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    Actually a bit more help is required. Called up a local dealer to compare prices and waiting periods and such for this state. Ran in to a roadblock.

    The state I am in is not my state of residence. I am finishing up my last few months at college but am a permanent resident of Virginia, not Georgia. They're not allowed to sell the gun to someone out of state. How does this work with online sellers? Would I be able to ship it to the FFL dealer and pick it up, even though I am not a resident of this state? How does it work? I assume people purchase firearms outside of their own state all the time while traveling, how is it usually done?
     
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    Do not buy anything you cant evaluate first hand before the purchase.
     
  9. brackis1 Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    You aren't as far as I know. Sorry
     
  10. hunto Brown Belt

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    If I may, please don't even consider bird shot. It doesn't deal a lethal blow. You need buckshot. 00buck is .32cal pellets, 000 is .36.
    The Box O' Truth - Ammo Penetration Testing
    The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - Page 1 is the shotgun test against drywall

    On that site the guy tests different rounds against water jugs, which simulate the impact on a human. He also does tests against drywall, sand, brick, and more.
    HTH
     
  11. Barut Banned Banned

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    Hunto,

    Do you know how close the range was? I've killed Ground hogs at 10 yards with #6 high brass shot. It was a mess. Ground hogs are tough animals. I shot one with my G23 .40 caliber earlier this year. I hit it in the body and it made it still made it to the hole. My point is that while bird shot is not my go to self defense round, I think it's adequate within 10 yards. Hell, the wad/cup doesn't even separate from the shot within 10 yards.
     
  12. Merrill Purple Belt

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    Your best bet if you are not a resident is to buy from a private owner at residence or at a gun show.
     
  13. Merrill Purple Belt

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    That's a good question about range.

    Shotgun Home Defense Ammunition, .357 SIG -- A Solution in Search of a Problem?

    I found this article a long time ago and it says:


    But it does not say what distance it was tested at.
     
  14. hunto Brown Belt

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    It seems he was firing from around 10 yards.
     
  15. jwalk2515 White Belt

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    Hunto: excellent info. There is no reason to load birdshot.

    I only pack 00 in my shotty, for some unknown reason I keep a box of slugs handy. :D
     
  16. clinchman Orange Belt

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    I've got a whole slew of guns and keep 3 or 4 handy for home defense purposes, and one of them is a shotgun. I've got a bean bag round for shot number one, birdshot for numbers 2 and 3, 00 on number four, and a 3" magnum fifth. My thinking is that as a situation escalates, so will my use of force. If there is one man, he'll get the non-lethal option, If another man appears, then the use of force become nessicary, but I do not want to risk shooting through a wall and killing/injuring someone else. If a fourth shot is needed, the situation is dire, and if I've got to use my fifth shot, it is very likely I may have the desire to "take someone with me". What you use is very dependant on your situation and where you live. If you're single and isolated, use whatever you want, but as population density in the immediate area increases, you have more to worry about.
     
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    I hope, for your sake, if bad guys visit, you get the time to cycle to rounds 4 and 5.
     
  18. clinchman Orange Belt

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    Something about a bean bag from a shotgun to the face or chest at the distance of about 15 feet doesn't seem like something a would-be robber would enjoy. I suppose if it is, I'll get to put this "hundreds of tiny holes in your body tends to make you run away" theory to the test.
     
  19. Barut Banned Banned

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    Enjoy? I'm concerned with killing/incapacitating intruders, not making them uncomfortable. If Hunto says that he saw a show stating that birdshot is inadequate to reliably kill a man, then it is.

    Indian burns are uncomfortable, but not sufficient for self-defense.
     
  20. hunto Brown Belt

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    The Box O' Truth #17 - I Hear You Knocking - ****l Doors - Page 1
    What #8 birdshot does to a common ****l door.
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    What 00 Buckshot does to a door.
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    from the operator of the website, an ex-lawman and gun enthusiast;
    "Lessons learned:
    1. ****l front doors provide concealment, not cover. (For those that might not understand the difference, "concealment" means it will hide you and "cover" means that it will stop bullets)

    2. Don't think a ****l door will slow down any common round. It only stopped birdshot, which is a very poor penetrator."

    If a bad guy is doing something that warrants pulling a gun on him, I'm not shooting him with a bean bag. This isn't 'Ma and Pa Kettle' scaring off varmints with rocksalt. If you feel someone is enough of a threat to pull a gun on them, esp in your home, you shoot to STOP the threat, not piss him off or hurt him or make him feel bad.
     

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