One picogram people!

[Mahkor]

They did prove it. It's the exact same metabolite as before but even smaller.

So every can pop for the same ped as before and we all good? why assume is the same from a year ago when the more likely scenario us that the ped useris still taking ped?

 

[Rod Farva]

Then why wouldn’t NSAC license him?

 

[ortizgnp]

and that proves that he hasn't taken it again how?

If it didn't make any difference previously, how would an even smaller amount make any difference? And what would be the point of taking it?

 

[ortizgnp]

So every can pop for the same ped as before and we all good? why assume is the same from a year ago when the more likely scenario us that the ped useris still taking ped?

It's the exact same metabolite.

 

[Threetrees]

People on sherdog dont grasp Logs its okay TS we, the surprisingly reasonable people, are fighting a losing battle

 

[randomg1t]

If it didn't make any difference previously, how would an even smaller amount make any difference? And what would be the point of taking it?

who the fuck said it didn't make a difference?

explain to me how having the same metabolite proves he didn't take it again, then we can talk about what trace amounts mean and how you get to them. but stop moving the goal-posts first.

 

[Threetrees]

who the fuck said it didn't make a difference?

The independent arbitration panel that rules on such things

Or were the independent arbiters in on it too.
This is a very complex conspiracy

 

[ortizgnp]

who the fuck said it didn't make a difference?

USADA and McLaren did.

explain to me how having the same metabolite proves he didn't take it again, then we can talk about what trace amounts mean and how you get to them. but stop moving the goal-posts first.

I'm not changing the goal post. You're just not following.

He had the same metabolite in his system as previously but an even smaller amount. If it didn't make any difference in his performance the first time, how could an even smaller amount of the exact same metabolite do any difference? Are you following?

 

[Danis_champ]

Aaron Picogram

wanted to say same thing for a long time but thought this would be so offtopic

props

 

[THEfightsAREfixed]

PM me for picograms of my dick

 

[Rvd Slmr]

He had the same metabolite in his system as previously but an even smaller amount. If it didn't make any difference in his performance the first time, how could an even smaller amount of the exact same metabolite do any difference? Are you following?

Except that they didn't appear on several tests in a row and then magically came back. Also just because it's currently too low to give an advantage right now, doesn't mean it couldn't help him in his training. All this "too small to give an advantage" excuse doesn't make sense, people don't take PED for an immediate short gain, but to help training on a longer scale. You still benefit from it when the product wears out.

 

[randomg1t]

USADA and McLaren did.

which is complete and utter bullshit, as other athletes who have been caught with comparable amounts received lengthy punishments.

also, USADA made a pretty big deal about jon taking it unintentionally, while still handing him a suspension. they also hired an arbiter who decided there was no wrongdoing based on their conversation with jones, like true professionals.

I'm not changing the goal post. You're just not following.

He had the same metabolite in his system as previously but an even smaller amount. If it didn't make any difference in his performance the first time, how could an even smaller amount of the exact same metabolite do any difference? Are you following?

oh i'm following all right. what you and other corporate shills are conveniently ignoring here, though, is that trace amounts aren't the measuring stick for effectiveness. they're trace amounts, and we look for them in order to establish someone used PEDs. you don't need to bust someone with levels that actually enhance his performance at the time of the test, it's enough to prove they used it at some point in the past.

having a "tiny little speck of salt in my olympic pool" is the stupidest fucking excuse in the history of excuses, for two reasons. number one, everyone who has ever been busted, has been busted for nano or picograms. these drugs are used in small doses. number two, trace amounts detected do not imply trace amounts ingested. these drugs get flushed out of the system, which is clear to pretty much everyone with a functioning brain.

there is literally no science behind the claim that turinabol stayed in his system for 16 months. they pulled this shit out of their ass, and you parrots are now proudly repeating it. i can't decide if it's hilarious or disturbing.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Edit:
Name other athletes that this has ever happened to. Where a second failed test is assumed to be “leftovers” from a year ago.

There must be at least one other high profile example from track and field, baseball, football, cycling, powerlifting, or even MMA.

Is there?

And mind you, the original test was supposed to be some trace residue that he inadvertently injected and was so so small that it would have absolutely no effect. And now, how the fuck is it there? And how the fuck did it not show up open tests before this? Imagine smoking a blunt and then pissing hot 2 years down the road?

 

[ortizgnp]

which is complete and utter bullshit, as other athletes who have been caught with comparable amounts received lengthy punishments.

also, USADA made a pretty big deal about jon taking it unintentionally, while still handing him a suspension. they also hired an arbiter who decided there was no wrongdoing based on their conversation with jones, like true professionals.



oh i'm following all right. what you and other corporate shills are conveniently ignoring here, though, is that trace amounts aren't the measuring stick for effectiveness. they're trace amounts, and we look for them in order to establish someone used PEDs. you don't need to bust someone with levels that actually enhance his performance at the time of the test, it's enough to prove they used it at some point in the past.

having a "tiny little speck of salt in my olympic pool" is the stupidest fucking excuse in the history of excuses, for two reasons. number one, everyone who has ever been busted, has been busted for nano or picograms. these drugs are used in small doses. number two, trace amounts detected do not imply trace amounts ingested. these drugs get flushed out of the system, which is clear to pretty much everyone with a functioning brain.

there is literally no science behind the claim that turinabol stayed in his system for 16 months. they pulled this shit out of their ass, and you parrots are now proudly repeating it. i can't decide if it's hilarious or disturbing.

Yea they go full 100% corrupt for Jon Jones out of all tested athletes in all of sports. Armstrong didn't have a chance but Jon Jones and the UFC paid them off.

MAKES SENSE. Don't you realize how stupid that sounds?

Again, I have told you the circumstances. It was an even smaller amount of the same metabolite he did time for previously. They also said he didn't ingest anything new - if he did they would have seen it.
Maybe you should helax a bit and come back later and look at it objectively, bud.

 

[Karelinator]

Turinabol has a molar mass of 334 grams per mole. A mole has 6.02 x 10^23 molecules. If you do a little bit of high school math then you will find that 1 picogram is roughly 600 billion molecules of Turinabol.

600 Billion Molecules !

Doesn't sound so small now does it?
Keep in mind that the actual number is not 1 picogram. It was in the double digits of picograms.

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I get I'm getting about 2 billion molecules.

I think you've forgotten to divide it by 334?

 

[UsernameLOL]

Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I get I'm getting about 2 billion molecules.

I think you've forgotten to divide it by 334?

Yeah i multiplied by 334 instead of dividing by it. Did another calculation and got 1.8 billion. Good catch.

 

[dog y]

It was double digits and anyway:

Jonny had 16. 16 is, as of today, the offical threshold

 

[Breaking]

Jonny had 16. 16 is, as of today, the offical threshold

Jon had 60.


So if 16 is the official threshold, then...

 

[podsox]

He’s tearing shit up in bellator but needs a better nickname

 

[car epic win]

everyone has gone full retard. experts with PhDs say he didn't re ingest, so all you keyboard scientists should stfu