Media Oliveira's answers to Poirier's signature shift combo (gif heavy)

ElLunico said:
Bruh he got hit in a lot of those gigs lol. Olives is an offensive juggernaut. He can finish you anywhere and is very good on the feet and on the ground.. one of the most complete offensive fighter in MMA because he is equally as dangerous if the fight goes to the mat or not..

But his defense on the feet is horrible.. I mean his head barely moves and is on the centerline ready to get smacked and it's a matter of time he gets hit with one that turns his lights off.
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The op is talking about THESE exchanges, not all of them.
Nor are they claiming Olives is a defensive wizard.
 
HI SCOTT NEWMAN said:
I noticed that while watching it live, and the reason this works is because Charles is always in close, he is so close at all times, and this is not specific for Poirier, because Charles is like that against everyone, he is really in close, right up in your face in the striking, he doesn't like distance at all

Probably because he loves the Muay Thai clinch and likes elbows and knees, which seems to be his favorite shots, so thats probably why he is always right in opponents faces. I think that Poirier combo would land if you are not so right up in his face like Charles was
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Not only this but Charles loves to do the takedowns on over extended strikes or when they clash bodies. Stay close and if the bows and knees aren't there, take the mf'er down.
 
Nice thread. Thanks for putting in the work. Oliveira's team obviously did their homework.
 
Great thread, TS, this is quality stuff!
 
ShreddinMMA said:
Which is odd, because Porier does use a lot of tools. He throws calf kicks well, he rolls and counters in the pocket well, can fight out of both stances, etc.

My initial thoughts are he doesn't have a lot of quality set ups to get inside, nor does he try to get back out of range a lot. He likes to get in the pocket and begin slipping, rolling, and countering. This same habit got him in trouble early with Hooker, who also uses a lot of clinch strikes. It worked against Conor by comparison as Conor doesn't like being crowded.

Against an even more elite Muay Thai-based striker like Oliviera, this proved to be a problem. Also highlights Porier (like so many strikers in MMA) really doesn't jab a lot to draw out what habits/holes his opponents have.
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Spot on dude. Nice to see an intelligent post/analysis
 
Great breakdown Sherbro, saw Weasal do something similar last week, but no where near as detailed. @fortheo

I haven't rewatched the fight and it's kind of blurry to me now. How did Dustin end up dropping Charles? I thought it was this very combo.
 
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fortheo said:
Full credit goes to a french youtuber named Chris Genachte. He made a much more thorough study of this fight, I'm simply re-interpretting certain parts of it for the non french speaking fans and re-giffing segments for sherdog. His chanel can be found here for french speakers:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCHNnRsbd2MXWxeaJ_GPhtrQ

The Problem:
If anyone knows dustin poirier, they know he throws his left cross from southpaw and shifts into orthodox to land his right cross. He does this very, very often and he's landed it on most of his opponents. Examples:

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Anyone who is fighting poirier needs to have some kind of answer for this technique from poirier.


Charles's solutions:

The main answer from oliveira was obviously pressure, as poirier needs space to shift. Oliveira is pressuring and crushing the space from the opening bell. Within the first 5 seconds of the round, Dustin tries his shift combo:

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  • Oliveira's first response above is a risky one, but it worked: dustin fires his left cross, shifts, but right before he gets to fire his right, charles hits him with a left hook then pulls away from dustin's right. I slowed the gif down, so hopefully it's easier to notice.


Ten seconds later, Dustin tries this shifting combo yet again:

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  • This time Charles pulls back, waits for dustin's second cross and simultaneously counters it with a right of his own.


It's 15 seconds into the fight now and Charles has shown two answers to one of dustin's signature attacks.


45 seconds later, Dustin tries it yet again:

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  • Dustin throws the left cross, Charles knows that dustin is going to try to shift into orthodox, so Charles grabs the single collar tie for the clinch and crashes the distance, in the clinch he lands a knee that makes dustin disengage.


The next time Dustin tries this shifting combo, he's aware that Charles is going to search for the single collar tie after the first left cros, so after throwing his left cross, you'll notice Dustin duck under charles' attempt for the single collar tie:

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but unfortunately for dustin charles gets a frame:

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Then after the frame he knees dustin in the body yet again. Here's the full gif:

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At this point, Charles knows that dustin will throw the left cross, try to duck to avoid the single collar tie while shifting into the right cross. Charles's answer to this is to upper cut while dustin ducks:

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I just thought this was cool, so I shared.


@KID Yamamoto @PokerandMMA
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Problem with Dustin is he spams that combo a lot, it's his main shifting combination. Actually his only real shifting combination. he can't shift from orthodox to southpaw with the same combo. He did land on Olivera though. He was able to land it twice I believe. I'll have to rewatch it. But the knockdown he got was from a shift, he just shifted backwards instead of forwards. So he shifted forward with his left cross and then shifted backward with a right hook. Olivera shut down most of Dustin's pressure with clinch fighting. Dustin isn't great at clinch fighting, he's better inside boxing but not really clinch fighting.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
Problem with Dustin is he spams that combo a lot, it's his main shifting combination. Actually his only real shifting combination. he can't shift from orthodox to southpaw with the same combo. He did land on Olivera though. He was able to land it twice I believe. I'll have to rewatch it. But the knockdown he got was from a shift, he just shifted backwards instead of forwards. So he shifted forward with his left cross and then shifted backward with a right hook. Olivera shut down most of Dustin's pressure with clinch fighting. Dustin isn't great at clinch fighting, he's better inside boxing but not really clinch fighting.
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In the first 15 seconds? Dustin missed with the right hook:

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Dustin did the shift and only hit oliveira's gloves, not his face, then oliveira's right foot slips while walking back. I don't doubt that dustin landed it elsewhere though, and in general dustin did a lot of other good things; but for the most part Charles did a good job shutting down that specific combination, and that's what I wanted to focus on because Dustin usually has a lot more success with it.
 
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Awesome post sherbro. Shit like this is like porn for me. I love a good fight observation that I didn't catch before. Overeem is another stance shifter that I never noticed until someone pointed it out.

Honestly, that's really the downside of trusting too much in your old combos. You really have to switch it up between fights to remain unpredictable. But old habits die hard. Especially if they've been reliable for years. Chucky Olives and his team figured it out. That's really what makes champs. Not just ability, but coaching and strategy. Chucky at 155 is clearly more durable than he was at 145. I can't see him being bullied ever again. He's a full grown man now. Back during his losses, he was still a kid (relatively speaking since I'm old). But he's grown into his frame. Tons of experience. Way more knowledge and technique accumulated. He's definitely beatable since he's hittable. He ate a LOT of shots. But at least he's more durable now. Gaychee couldn't handle Poor Yay's power. But Olives endured it. To me that says a lot. BUT it's still not a guarantee that his chin will hold up in the long term.

That said, this is an awesome post and gives me a lot to chew on. Really hoping Chucky Olives reigns for a while. I love the fact that he's a finsher. Win or lose. The boy goes out there to finish fights. Always looking for the finish whether it's striking or grappling. That's the kind of shit I wanna watch.
 
fortheo said:
In the first 15 seconds? Dustin missed with the right hook:

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Dustin did the shift and only hit oliveira's gloves, not his face, then oliveira's right foot slips while walking back. I don't doubt that dustin landed it elsewhere though, and in general dustin did a lot of other good things; but for the most part Charles did a good job shutting down that specific combination, and that's what I wanted to focus on because Dustin usually has a lot more success with it.
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He did it again for the second knockdown and that one connected. It's the exact same set up. He still connected on the first, just because it was blocked doesn't mean he didn't feel the impact. He didn't slip, the punch knocked him off balance. In boxing fighters get KO/TKO even while blocking. The punches still vibrate through your arms/gloves.
 
Wow this is great. Massive fan of oliviera and this thread
 
drbolony said:
Great breakdown Sherbros, saw Weasal do something similar last week, but no where near as detailed. @fortheo

I haven't researched the fight and it's kind of blurry to me now. How did Dustin end up dropping Charles? I thought it was this very combo.
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EDIT: Charles was landing an uppercut many times and there was a moment that Poirier figured it out and countered it causing Charles to get dropped.
 
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