Officiating the Lombard/Magny Bout

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i don't think there's any argument that the fight should have been stopped in round one in hindsight. Obviously Magny www in deep trouble but the referee wanted to give him a chance to recover. As we know now, he was fully recovered by round's end, so that was the correct choice by the referee.

In the second, and stann alluded to this, it seemed as if the referee was giving Lombard the same opportunity he gave Magny. Lombard was just about finished, but he did move. I have no issues with the referee allowing it to continue the same way he did in the first. That is the important point.

In the third, nothing had changed for Lombard (the way it changed for Magny at the end of the first) and the ref called it immediately. I have no real issue with the job the ref did here. Lombard was losing badly, but he wasnt getting killed or brutalized in there.

Cut the ref some slack, it was fair officiating, if a little lenient.
 
Well, Magny was defending by blocking punches with his hands while simultaneously trying to improve position and get back into the fight.

Lombard was lying there eating shots and defending like any human in survival mode: cover up until the guy punching you has had enough with no move toward improving position and no indication he could get back in the fight at all.

Fight could have been called in the first, and that would have been fine. But the fight SHOULD have been called in the second, for sure.
 
Hector wasn't close to being unconscious in the second round. He was gassed and eating shots, but not much damage. That all changed in the third round however.
 
The Bard said:
Well, Magny was defending by blocking punches with his hands while simultaneously trying to improve position and get back into the fight.

Lombard was lying there eating shots and defending like any human in survival mode: cover up until the guy punching you has had enough with no move toward improving position and no indication he could get back in the fight at all.

Fight could have been called in the first, and that would have been fine. But the fight SHOULD have been called in the second, for sure.
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As far as Lombard's defense, I agree, there wasn't a whole lot. He did however try to get up on his knees a few times when he was flattened and mounted from the back and was even trying to roll back to mount in the last 20 seconds or so. I agree, in most situations that's enough to stop a fight.

But again, I think you have to be fair. The way Magny had the opportunity to recover from a very bad spot, it's only right to give Lombard the same chance.

I think it was fair officiating even if it was at Lombard's peril. That's all I'm saying.


Also, it was a lot of strikes but not a ton of damage. Just totally dominant positioning and a high volume. AGAIN, that's usually enough to end the fight but, given the way the first round was called, I had no problem with how it went down.
 
Would have been an early stoppage if they stopped it in favor,of Lombard in the first. Magny never once quit moving, trying to improve his position and at least partially blocking or taking some of the sting off off the majority of Lombard's shots from what I saw. Lombard in the second literally laid there getting punched in the head over and over at times. The proper fighter took the win in my opinion.
 
Ref would have stopped it if Magny's punches didn't look weak as hell.

Should have just thrown a couple of really quick Overeem/Vitor bombs and the ref would have stopped it right away.
 
1st and 2nd rounds are only the same if you are blind.

Magny was rocked, but intelligently defending himself, constantly scrambling.

Lombard was motionless on his belly getting his head turned into pizza
 
That was a brutal beating in the second. I found it uncomfortable to watch and would have stopped it. I scored that one 10-7.

Good job by the ref not stopping it in the first though. Magny proved he had plenty of fight left.
 
INoHespectChael said:
Ref would have stopped it if Magny's punches didn't look weak as hell.

Should have just thrown a couple of really quick Overeem/Vitor bombs and the ref would have stopped it right away.
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I was a bit surprised Magny didn't start raining down elbows. Had he been cutting him up with those it almost certainly would have been stopped in the second.
 
I thought in the 2nd it looked like Lombard was just resting because the punches weren't hurting at all. Dude just couldn't breathe.
 
Stupid. Just because Magny was allowed to recover in the first doesn't justify not stopping a fight after 120 unanswered shots. Magny was actually defending well
 
I actually thought it was very good officiating. he gave Lombard the same leeway he gave Magny AND Lombard was giving the ref thumbs up that he was ok. Also they said between rounds the ref told Lombard if he starts eating shots again he's ending the fight quickly. Very fair and balanced.
 
Tycho said:
1st and 2nd rounds are only the same if you are blind.

Magny was rocked, but intelligently defending himself, constantly scrambling.

Lombard was motionless on his belly getting his head turned into pizza
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RafaelDosSantos said:
Stupid. Just because Magny was allowed to recover in the first doesn't justify not stopping a fight after 120 unanswered shots. Magny was actually defending well
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Okay then, look at it this way.

In the first, Magny was rocked but he wasn't ever in grave danger positionally. He never stopped moving and defending despite being rocked.

In the second it was totally opposite: Lombard wasn't exactly 'rocked' but he was being totally dominated as far as the positional disadvantages he found himself in.

They're different but comparable. And I didn't say the rounds were the same, but the officiating was. That's what I made the thread about because I don't think the ref deserves the shit he's getting here.
 
You guys wanted Herb Dean to ref that fight? He probably would have stopped it after Magny got dropped once.
 
Pacemaker Joe said:
Percival has a long history of being incompetent. So no.
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I don't know about that, but it certainly didn't show tonight. He was totally competent and fair in the way he officiated this fight.
 
That was the lord punishing hector for failing his tests. Just a sweet reminder that crime doesn't pay. Especially when it involves needles
 
Nobody would have questioned either stoppage if they had been made, but the 2nd round was the more questionable of the two. Hector wasn't doing anything at all.
 
RafaelDosSantos said:
Stupid. Just because Magny was allowed to recover in the first doesn't justify not stopping a fight after 120 unanswered shots. Magny was actually defending wel
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Well, according to fightmetric it was only 114 shots. Perhaps at 120 the ref would have stopped the fight?
 
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