Official Women's Division Discussion #27

[leto1776]

If I'm going to do a real ranking I would have to do research on strength of competition on all these fighters plus fighters who are not on the list to see if they should be on it and to be frank this heat and humidity got me feeling too lazy to do all that. So I am going to have to pass.

 

[Rizz]

I went to sleep at early as hell due to the heat. The good is it feels less humid now but the bad is I am wide awake at 2am.

Hey, if you got the time and want to put in the work to make a well researched list be my guest. You can use it as content for your youtube channel. So it works out for you.

 

[leto1776]

I went to sleep at early as hell due to the heat. The good is it feels less humid now but the bad is I am wide awake at 2am.

Hey, if you got the time and want to put in the work to make a well researched list be my guest. You can use it as content for your youtube channel. So it works out for you.

Anyway, got some interesting news:


Figured it out:

 

[Hellowhosthat]

I think they giuve the Bellator ladies too much credit, but let's see yours.

I just use fight matrix at this point. It's not perfect but it's at least not just based on opinion.

 

[Rizz]

Anyway, got some interesting news:


Figured it out:

If I am not understanding your point how about you state what it is. I have no interest in trying to understand a subliminal from someone on the internet. Mean what you say and say what you mean. If you are not going to be direct then lets end this conversation here.

 

[leto1776]

If I am not understanding your point how about you state what it is. I have no interest in trying to understand a subliminal from someone on the internet. Mean what you say and say what you mean. If you are not going to be direct then lets end this conversation here.

You dismissed someone’s work as “pure trash.” Meanwhile, that’s all you do. Dismiss it. You offer no alternative, no counterpoint, just dismiss someone’s work entirely, while offering nothing yourself. It’s like the peop,e on Twitter with two followers who go “I’ve never heard of you” to bestselling authors. It’s peak laziness and requires zero effort. Any troll can do it.
The Unified WMMA rankings have been around for at least 10 years, and Robert Sergeant and others put work into them, and they’re the only worldwide wmma rankings that are worth taking seriously, because they’re not access media beholden to the UFC.
Frankly, for you to just dismiss them offhand as “pure trash” while offering nothing yourself, says more about you than it does the rankings.

 

[leto1776]

I just use fight matrix at this point. It's not perfect but it's at least not just based on opinion.

I forgot about fight matrix. They’re okay, but my problem with going by pure numbers is that they have no soul, and no context.

 

[Rizz]

You dismissed someone’s work as “pure trash.” Meanwhile, that’s all you do. Dismiss it. You offer no alternative, no counterpoint, just dismiss someone’s work entirely, while offering nothing yourself. It’s like the peop,e on Twitter with two followers who go “I’ve never heard of you” to bestselling authors. It’s peak laziness and requires zero effort. Any troll can do it.
The Unified WMMA rankings have been around for at least 10 years, and Robert Sergeant and others put work into them, and they’re the only worldwide wmma rankings that are worth taking seriously, because they’re not access media beholden to the UFC.
Frankly, for you to just dismiss them offhand as “pure trash” while offering nothing yourself, says more about you than it does the rankings.

If you wanted the reasons why I did not like the list why not be more direct and just ask me? I would have told you. But by trying to be a smart ass you asked me to create a whole new list. Which is different level of commitment. Something you also were not willing to commit time to(which is why I asked you to do it) even though you have your youtube channel.

I know who Robert Sergeant is. Incase you have not noticed I have been into this WMMA stuff for almost a decade. I also did not dismiss his work as trash. I called the final list trash. You need to learn the difference. I respect all the years he has been in WMMA and the amount of work he puts into the rankings. Especially the last nights he put in to get info/results from JWMMA and obscure promotions. However, if the final result is not good I am going to say its not good. The funny thing is because you also agree that the list is wrong because the first thing you stated was a problem with it but I am a troll for calling it trash?

 

[PurpleStorm]

Hey @Rizz you're a great poster here. I respect & appreciate your comments, opinions & all that you share. You're always friendly toward others here as well. Everyone's got differing thoughts on a lotta stuff. It's all good.

 

[Eater of Souls]

Everyone's got differing thoughts on a lotta stuff.

No we do not.

It's all good.

No it is not.


Just seemed strange for others to be arguing without me.

 

[Rizz]

It's Miesha Tate fight week! Miesha's fights are almost always good if her opponent plays along. Marion tends to play along so it should be a good one. Hopefully Tate is not past her prime. 135 needs a shot of excitement injected into it.

 

[Xuh]

Bannau Brycheiniog > Bolshoy Kavkaz

Returning to the Cymru/Caucasus connection:

Did you know?
(apparently it was a plot point in the 2000s King Arthur movie with Kiera Knightly; I haven't seen that film, but perhaps it's a well known idea already)

A couple of historians have theorised that the famous King Arthur legends have their origins with Sarmatian soldiers (from eastern europe/north caucasus) stationed in Britannia in the Roman era.
Supposedly legends such as the holy grail, sword in the stone, lady of the lake, the adventures of a group of chivalrious knights (who are amusingly monty-python soundingly called the 'Narts'), have close parallels in North Caucasian legends.
it is also claimed the Sarmatian garrison marched under a red dragon banner (the red dragon eventually reappearing as the flag of Wales).

Sarmatians are also thought to be the inspiration for the Greek 'Amazon' myth, and a high proportion of their ancient graves contain women with arms and battle dress.

The modern population that is perhaps most closely descended from the Sarmatians is (drum roll....) the Ossetians.

So, until we get some femme GB grappling Amazon taking over MMA to cheer for, I guess the best we can do is adopt 'Princess' Diana Avsaragova as our representitive.

War Diana 'True Brit' Avsaragova!

 

[Mmmmmmma1234]

266 packed with interesting wmma flyweights
Blanchfield Alpar
Andrade Calvillo
Suarez roxi

That's the wiki page list but on my sports app also has flyweights:
Fiorot Bueno Silva

A 5 flyweights ppv all champion, interesting contenders, or hot up and comers. A nice showcase for the "worst division" haters gonna be pooping all night.

 

[Rizz]

That's the wiki page list but on my sports app also has flyweights:
Fiorot Bueno Silva

A 5 flyweights ppv all champion, interesting contenders, or hot up and comers. A nice showcase for the "worst division" haters gonna be pooping all night.

Yes! I love how much 125 has grown. It took awhile but it just keeps getting better.

 

[PurpleStorm]

Returning to the Cymru/Caucasus connection:

Did you know?
(apparently it was a plot point in the 2000s King Arthur movie with Kiera Knightly; I haven't seen that film, but perhaps it's a well known idea already)

A couple of historians have theorised that the famous King Arthur legends have their origins with Sarmatian soldiers (from eastern europe/north caucasus) stationed in Britannia in the Roman era.
Supposedly legends such as the holy grail, sword in the stone, lady of the lake, the adventures of a group of chivalrious knights (who are amusingly monty-python soundingly called the 'Narts'), have close parallels in North Caucasian legends.
it is also claimed the Sarmatian garrison marched under a red dragon banner (the red dragon eventually reappearing as the flag of Wales).

Sarmatians are also thought to be the inspiration for the Greek 'Amazon' myth, and a high proportion of their ancient graves contain women with arms and battle dress.

The modern population that is perhaps most closely descended from the Sarmatians is (drum roll....) the Ossetians.

So, until we get some femme GB grappling Amazon taking over MMA to cheer for, I guess the best we can do is adopt 'Princess' Diana Avsaragova as our representitive.

War Diana 'True Brit' Avsaragova!

Cliffs. Kiera Knightley, Monty Python and some Martians founded amazon dot com.

 

[thatdude21601]

Anyway, got some interesting news:


Figured it out:

If they made it to broadcast, Wang Lu Ping's WLF fights are probably here:

https://www.youtube.com/c/chinahenantv/videos

 

[Necrocrawler]

All i can say is:

Conejo by head and arm throw UD!!!!!

 

[PurpleStorm]

Weekend picks

Bellator
Velasquez by decision

UFC
Tate by decision
Lemos by KO

 

[Askafan]

Returning to the Cymru/Caucasus connection:

Did you know?
(apparently it was a plot point in the 2000s King Arthur movie with Kiera Knightly; I haven't seen that film, but perhaps it's a well known idea already)

A couple of historians have theorised that the famous King Arthur legends have their origins with Sarmatian soldiers (from eastern europe/north caucasus) stationed in Britannia in the Roman era.
Supposedly legends such as the holy grail, sword in the stone, lady of the lake, the adventures of a group of chivalrious knights (who are amusingly monty-python soundingly called the 'Narts'), have close parallels in North Caucasian legends.
it is also claimed the Sarmatian garrison marched under a red dragon banner (the red dragon eventually reappearing as the flag of Wales).

Sarmatians are also thought to be the inspiration for the Greek 'Amazon' myth, and a high proportion of their ancient graves contain women with arms and battle dress.

The modern population that is perhaps most closely descended from the Sarmatians is (drum roll....) the Ossetians.

So, until we get some femme GB grappling Amazon taking over MMA to cheer for, I guess the best we can do is adopt 'Princess' Diana Avsaragova as our representitive.

War Diana 'True Brit' Avsaragova!

Welsh history and mythology are a happy hunting ground for all kinds of outlandish theories but I'm not going to dismiss your crackpot ideas out of hand. Interestingly Ossetians have the second highest incidence of mitochondrial haplogroup J in the world (this is passed down via the maternal line) while the Welsh come in fourth. I'm sure there's a book in all of this and I'm ready to accept Avsaragova and Ffion (Dudieva too) as modern day representatives of an ancient line of Celtic Caucasian Amazons.

It's harder to get behind young McKenna of course.

 

[PurpleStorm]

Bellator

Spoiler: Bellator

Razor thin close fight between Velasquez & Keilholtz. Sherdog writer had it Keilholtz 1, 2 & 5. I had it Velasquez 2, 3 & 4. Judges gave Velasquez the split decision. Velasquez fought with more precision & did more apparent damage. Keilholtz landed more strikes and was more the aggressor. Interested in how anyone else scored it. As always, not interested in arguing lol!