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Official UFN 69 Betting Thread - Post Your Bets!

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Let's be honest here. Nothing in gambling is as easy as it appears at first glance. If you think Shamrock is going to get dusted the odds wouldn't be as close as they are. Kimbo's line would be at the very least around the high -300 to -500 mark. Kimbo at -200 means the line is very telling. Shamrock has a good chance in getting the win despite everyone thinking Kimbo is a "LOCK".

Remember if this goes to the ground at any point, you can virtually count Kimbo out. Shamrock could just as easily use his patented ankle lock. I'm definitely putting a small flier bet on Shamrock because he has more way to win and Kimbo gasses after his 2 minutes of flurry punches. I'm always going with value play here. Shamrock's age does worry me to a degree but he looks absolutely ripped and in great physical shape.

Never said I would be Bellator after getting screwed over in many of the rig jobs but I equate the new regime as basically STRIKEFORCE now. I have much more faith in Coke than I do with Rebney

My 2 cents

- Barry


I don't see anyone in this thread claiming that Kimbo is a lock Cooler -- but instead they are saying that given the preponderance of evidence we have at our disposal Kimbo is definitely the overwhelming favorite and at his current odds hey does dictate a small play. Moreover, at his current line of -295 even the bookies are setting Kimbo up to be a lock but instead are giving him the implied probability that he wins three out of every four times that they fight. Given the fact that Shamrock is 51 years old and hasn't competed in a combat setting in five years and only has two wins in the last deck I was both of those victories coming against fighters who couldn't run a 20 yard dash without requiring a fully filled oxygen tank at the finish line. To believe that 51-year-old can't Shamrock is going to stroll in after I five year absence from any combat sport and take Kimbo out with his patented leg-lock is almost as preposterous as believing that he will also enter the cage by descending from Darth Vader's premier flagship of the Imperial Navy. Okay, Shammy stepping off of the Executioner to enter the cage is not quite that outlandish -- but close. 😋

Granted, any fighter who has as many technical vulnerabilities as Kimbo is most certainly never a lock no matter who they are fighting, but definitely they are not locks when they are fighting against submission artists. However, we are in this funny gray area in regards to Kimbo's hype vs. his true fighting ability. As cappers we must appropriately assess not just his own merits but how they stack up in contrast to his opposition. While Kimbo is not UFC level he probably is around the lower rung of the bellator HW ladder whereas Shamrock wouldn't even b on the middle rung of the Shark Fight's HW ladder.

Getting to my point, we cannot denigrate Kimbo's fighting ability so much as to where we start to lose value as bettors merely because we know that Kimbo has always been a "fraud" marketed to rubes by shady fight promoters as the "big scary black guy from the streets" capable of knocking out true mixed martial artists without putting in the same amount of training. Essentially, Kimbo is being bilked as Shaq's character from the 1990s movie Blue Chips -- the 7'2" massive black guy from Africa with the innate talent to play in the NBA Who some white American happens to discover.

I actually thought that this con had ran it's course long ago as everyone from the sleazy Shaw family to Dana White sold the circus act; yet (sadly) Scott Coker is dusting off an old ratings jewel he never got to play with at Strikeforce and is subsequently squeezing the last bit of fraudulent juice he can from the sideshow while it still has legs. 💰💰

Again though, as both fans and bettors of the sport we have to try to cap Kimbo from a fighting perspective and not let our biases lower the bar so far that we begin to lose value on him at the expense of our own bets. Subsequently, in this spot I don't think that we can take advantage of the casual fans ignorance and place a bet on Kimbo's opponent like we did when he was fighting in Elite XC and the UFC where he was entering EVERY fight as a big favorite with the hard-core fan knowing that as soon as he faced a legit opponent he would get tuned up.

For instance, I remember like it was yesterday when Kimbo came out a massive favorite over Seth Petruzelli and I put a big bet on Seth at +3xx as even on short notice I thought he had a way better than >25% chance of "upsetting" Kimbo. However, I got burned when I bet Houston Alexander to defeat Kimbo although not by much because that fight was a pick em' and my bet was small. But I did bet against him again when he fought Meathead as Kimbo once again opened as a near 2-1 favorite (IIRC) and I got MH at like ~+130. My point is, that these were good opponents to play as underdogs and fade the Kimbo hype -- conversely, Shammy is not that guy. One more thing, Barry and a few others I TT have mentioned the fact that Shamrock is "ripped and shredded" which leads me to ask -- "how many bodybuilders do we have as champions in MMA today or for that matter ever?" 💪 and/or 💉 do not equal mixed martial arts champion.

Indeed, like Ken today, past opponents like Tank Abbott weren't worth a play as they were virtual fish food for the company shark. Likewise, at 51 years old and a chin that holds up about as well as a clay pot in an earthquake - Ken's not worth a play. Of course if you do not want to bet Kimbo and just want action on the fight, I would not besmirch a flier just for the hell of it; but anything more than .3u is crazy given what we know. Can Ken win? Sure, anything can happen. Will he win? It is highly unlikely. What's more, as bettors, there are far better spots to make a flier bet on this weekend's MMA docket than on a +300 51-year-old Ken Shamrock whose body has taken more damage than a losing Pitbull in Michael Vick's dog kennel.
 
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Urgh ... You guys are swaying me. Can Ken just come out and blast a take-down without resistance? Is it fair to say he can't keep it competitive on the feet?

Hrmm... Just seeing that Kimbo lost his first and only ammy fight. He was knocked out in 24 seconds. Can the bareknuckle brawler have chin issues (I haven't seen the fight, I don't know the circumstances by which he was knocked out)?? .. What I do know was that his opponent has only 1 other knockout to his name, has been knocked out himself 17 times, and holds a professional record of 12-57..

Edit: The fight was a decade ago in 2005. It was both of their first ammy fights.
That fight was with a different Kevin Ferguson. Sherdog has it wrong.
 
Thanks for that info.

I'm not really familiar with either fighter but does Omer rely on his Jab or lead leg takedowns?

I think that's the biggest difference when fighting the opposite stance. You jab is practically useless and straights/ crosses are much more effective.

The south paw usually has the advantage because they're used to sparring Orthodox fighters.

He has a fast jabs and tends to throw left and then right hooks, he likes that 1-2 combo and covers good distance with his speed and footwork, he does mix it up occasionally with solid leg kicks on the outside also but tends to prefer to box more.

I felt he beat alers also, alers did very little with his take downs where as he got outstruck easily by omer.
 
thanks for the feedback, EZ. Mike, ride or die! toe holds for life, imo.
 
I'm thinking of playing Sobotta straight even at -280, seems like the most lopsided fight of the card with the exception of the main event.
While the aussie has better boxing Sobotta's kicks should be enough to win him the standup on points on Germany, plus Kennedy doesn't have good takedown defense and Sobotta is just way better on the ground, if he gets in trouble on the feet he can get the takedown, and if he gets grounded he can reverse the position.
Kennedy is also coming in on really short notice and looks a bit smaller.
 
^^^ wow. And to think I've been liking some lines I saw on there. Thanks for the heads up
 
Shammy is a pioneer but guys his last pro fight was 5 years ago and it was a 2 minute TKO loss to 10-16 Mike Rouse. Who had gone 1-8 in his previous 9 fights prior to teeing off on Ke. Ans Rouse wasn't fighting world beaters either. In ither words Kimbo doesn't need to have a whole lot to stop Shammy here.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYYYd3kON0&feature=youtu.be Just watch 5:45 guys, there's no way Kimbo is this crippled. Kimbo isn't a lock, but there's little chance of Ken being able to move away or dodge a solid Kimbo hook or uppercut, and one of those is going to drop Ken for sure. Kimbo has shitty knees too but definitely not as bad as that. Ken will not be able to get a takedown with those knees, Kimbo has no ground game but he's shown some really mean slams at the very least.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYYYd3kON0&feature=youtu.beJust watch 5:45 guys there's no way Kimbo is this crippled. Kimbo isn't a lock, but there's little chance of Ken being able to move away or dodge a solid Kimbo hook or uppercut, and one of those is going to drop Ken for sure. Kimbo has shitty knees too but definitely not as bad as that. Ken will not be able to get a takedown with those knees, Kimbo has no ground game but he's shown some really mean slams at the very least.

Good point about Ken's lack of movement making him more vulnerable to strikes. That could be a major factor.

My concern is that Ken doesn't need a takedown, he can just roll into a leg lock. My other concern is that Kimbo looks out of shape and if Ken can survive early he'll probably outlast Kimbo. I'm abandoning the Kimbo train.
 
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Wow that sucks. I've never had an issue although they have been a little slow to pay a few times. It's never money I need so I've never cared a whole lot but I think it's time I consider a new site.

Okay, who's the easiest to set up with and deposit via credit card for U.S. players?

Obv people here use 5dimes, Bookmaker, Bet365, etc. so which one is best?
 
Wow that sucks. I've never had an issue although they have been a little slow to pay a few times. It's never money I need so I've never cared a whole lot but I think it's time I consider a new site.

Okay, who's the easiest to set up with and deposit via credit card for U.S. players?

Obv people here use 5dimes, Bookmaker, Bet365, etc. so which one is best?

Your options are pretty limited as an American. 5dimes, Bookmaker and Bovoda are your best choices, in my opinion.
 
Lots of chalk on Bellator tonight. Who is going to be the parlay buster? I'd say Corrales has the best chance. Straus possibly coming back too soon from PCL injury.
 
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NYM -140 vs ATL
 
Who here uses Bookmaker.EU? I know some itt do.

Are deposits/withdrawls easy? Do they ask you to send them a copy of a driver's license or anything like that? Is it easy to deposit via credit card?
 
Wow that sucks. I've never had an issue although they have been a little slow to pay a few times. It's never money I need so I've never cared a whole lot but I think it's time I consider a new site.

Okay, who's the easiest to set up with and deposit via credit card for U.S. players?

Obv people here use 5dimes, Bookmaker, Bet365, etc. so which one is best?


5dimes and bookmaker are my go to's but 5Dimes accepts CCs.

I had my friend sign up to book maker but I guess they don't let you deposit with visa anymore and he was mad.
 
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