Official Judo Thread VIII

Regarding rubber band uchikomi: I think the traditional method was to use loops of bicycle inner tubes. If that's too fiddly, you can try to find what's called shock-cord or bungee cord (elasticated cord, sold on spools. Probably about $1/metre if you look around).

Here's one of the better clips I've found on how to do band uchikomi.


Note the sideways throws and static holds
 
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Judo Thai Boxer said:
O soto otoshi.

That osoto doesn't even deserve to be in the same sentence as Akiyama.
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Of course it wasn't as good as Akiyama's. The second one still had a similar entry to what Akiyama and Machida do.
 
Kbits said:
Hmmm....this seems on topic



So the idea is to squat them and then turn rather than the GR back-arch version? I kinda gave up on ura nage 10yrs ago but it's made a big, big comeback in comps now and I think I had better learn the offensive and defensive versions. I think I've been trying to do everything with just a back-arch
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Pretty much.
There is a difference in the greco suplex, freestyle suplex and uranage.
In greco you have to arch, because the only thing lifting your opponent in the air would be posterior chain, good upper body grip and your hips. That would be arching.
Freestyle suplex could be done with a leg grab, leg blocking/reaping/ lifting. The amplitude might be lower, but its with superior control, because of the wide variety of options, body positions, combined work of arms and legs (opposed to greco, where you plant feet and arch)
Judo uranage has that arm and leg combination, minus the leg grab, plus the gi grip and the sacrifice falls counting as uranage as well. Meaning, you dont really need to arch.
Of course, been able to do all of them is best.
Suggestion for practicing the throw- during uchikomi/ nagekomi, do a round of greco, round of freestyle, round of judo.
 
Anyone ever train in Japan? going for a week or so will try to hit up the kodokan for a day at least. But am interested in any recommendations.
 
green1 said:
Anyone ever train in Japan? going for a week or so will try to hit up the kodokan for a day at least. But am interested in any recommendations.
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Onq frequents Osaka a lot and recommends it but he's also been to Tokyo, he's probably your best bet.
 
green1 said:
Anyone ever train in Japan? going for a week or so will try to hit up the kodokan for a day at least. But am interested in any recommendations.
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When are you going?
Im heading to Japan next week and will be there for 3 months.
 
Someone help me out.

Am I the only one who thinks there's such a thing, I like to call, "the thrower's chance" in judo? Even kyu-grade noobs (like moi) have opportunities to throw dans at times.

In BJJ it's RARE for lower belts (white and blue) to even give upper belts (purple and up) a good sweat unless there's a major size disparity in favor of the lower belt. In judo, the belt level isn't nearly as indicative of who will get the better of sparring. I've tossed dans and gave up throws to rokyu.

I think the belt level only indicates the CHANCE of a successful throw.
 
I agree to an extent. If someone's awesome at a throw, then they can potentially throw higher grades than them, even if their skill level is lower.

However, I can't remember the last time I was thrown by someone significantly worse at judo than me, other than when I go extremely easy on people and just get lazy, not stepping off throws etc which is more from boredom than anything else.
 
https://vimeo.com/119480282

Where's Toothless King been? I think he'd definitely be mentioning this to f12 if he was still around.


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In keeping with the Ronda theme of this post...

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Since everyone at my clubs are clued into my love of the juji, I'm gonna try what she mentioned at the end of the video (starting at 2:35). Am I goddamn idiot, or is that a small detail that not many people mention?
 
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Ippy said:
https://vimeo.com/119480282

Where's Toothless King been? I think he'd definitely be mentioning this to f12 if he was still around.


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In keeping with the Ronda theme of this post...

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Since everyone at my clubs are clued into my love of the juji, I'm gonna try what she mentioned at the end of the video (starting at 2:35). Am I goddamn idiot, or is that a small detail that not many people mention?
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I've seen it in Judo but it's not mentioned often. The version I saw attacks the wrist. Anyone seen it in BJJ?
 
Ippy said:
Someone help me out.

Am I the only one who thinks there's such a thing, I like to call, "the thrower's chance" in judo? Even kyu-grade noobs (like moi) have opportunities to throw dans at times.

In BJJ it's RARE for lower belts (white and blue) to even give upper belts (purple and up) a good sweat unless there's a major size disparity in favor of the lower belt. In judo, the belt level isn't nearly as indicative of who will get the better of sparring. I've tossed dans and gave up throws to rokyu.

I think the belt level only indicates the CHANCE of a successful throw.
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You've got the right idea, but the chance seriously diminishes. I'd say it's all a crap shoot until brown, then shodans are clearly superior to browns. I'd put the chance of a brown belt throwing me at 5% if they are athletic, and something under 1% for lower grades. I can't remember the last time a lower grade threw me legitimately.
 
QingTian said:
I've seen it in Judo but it's not mentioned often. The version I saw attacks the wrist. Anyone seen it in BJJ?
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I'll just make a separate thread on it. That way I get both the judo and BJJ ppl perspectives.

QingTian said:
You've got the right idea, but the chance seriously diminishes. I'd say it's all a crap shoot until brown, then shodans are clearly superior to browns. I'd put the chance of a brown belt throwing me at 5% if they are athletic, and something under 1% for lower grades. I can't remember the last time a lower grade threw me legitimately.
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Yeah, I'm not saying it's 50/50 at all. I agree that the skill level and chances for success drop off significantly as the belt disparity increases, especially if it's a athletic dan.

But I swear, in BJJ, athleticism doesn't play as nearly as big a part in being successful (it still does play a part ofc) as does knowing the proper positioning, grips, balance, etc...
 
Sorry Ippy, sent you a PM but not sure if it worked as I'm on my phone.
 
Ippy said:
Someone help me out.

Am I the only one who thinks there's such a thing, I like to call, "the thrower's chance" in judo? Even kyu-grade noobs (like moi) have opportunities to throw dans at times.

In BJJ it's RARE for lower belts (white and blue) to even give upper belts (purple and up) a good sweat unless there's a major size disparity in favor of the lower belt. In judo, the belt level isn't nearly as indicative of who will get the better of sparring. I've tossed dans and gave up throws to rokyu.

I think the belt level only indicates the CHANCE of a successful throw.
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It is a lot easier to counter throw in judo, because an attacking judoka is vulnerable. There's no real equivalent in BJJ, where people do not usually expose themselves much at all when they attack. I guess leglock battles are the only time you see this happen, and leglock battles are notorious for giving lower belts good opportunities to tap higher belts.

If a more experienced judoka is just defending, there's not much you can do, but if you spam remotely decent attacks while the other judoka is genuinely attacking, some of your attacks are likely to work on occasion.
 
Ippy said:
I'll just make a separate thread on it. That way I get both the judo and BJJ ppl perspectives.



Yeah, I'm not saying it's 50/50 at all. I agree that the skill level and chances for success drop off significantly as the belt disparity increases, especially if it's a athletic dan.

But I swear, in BJJ, athleticism doesn't play as nearly as big a part in being successful (it still does play a part ofc) as does knowing the proper positioning, grips, balance, etc...
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I disagree on the BJJ part... depending on my condition I can fight up or down a belt level. Was tapped by a white belt with 80 lbs on me.. but to be fair I didn't want him to make my hairline recede any more so I lifted my chin for him. Yet on good days I'm even stomping purples.
 
Zankou said:
It is a lot easier to counter throw in judo, because an attacking judoka is vulnerable. There's no real equivalent in BJJ, where people do not usually expose themselves much at all when they attack. I guess leglock battles are the only time you see this happen, and leglock battles are notorious for giving lower belts good opportunities to tap higher belts.
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Yeah, I think that's the main reason.

QingTian said:
I disagree on the BJJ part... depending on my condition I can fight up or down a belt level. Was tapped by a white belt with 80 lbs on me.. but to be fair I didn't want him to make my hairline recede any more so I lifted my chin for him. Yet on good days I'm even stomping purples.
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Yeah, but you have to take into account that you're also a judo shodan. You aren't the typical white (?) belt. You were at least BJJ blue level before you ever walked in the door.
 
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