Official Judo Thread VIII

Is ura nage a pure strength move? Can you lift a big guy with that given proper leverage?
 
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cino said:
Is ura nage a pure strength move? Can you lift a big guy with that given proper leverage?
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Nothing is pure strength in any combat sport or there'd be no point in training technique.

It's mostly used as a counter, sometimes on big guys it's easier to go for tani otoshi or sometimes the ura nage works.
 
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cino said:
Is ura nage a pure strength move? Can you lift a big guy with that given proper leverage?
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No, ura-nage is often used as a counter throw, so if you are attacked by osoto-gari, or whatever, you position your body and take him off-balance by ura-nage. But having some hip strength is not a bad thing either
 
cino said:
Is ura nage a pure strength move? Can you lift a big guy with that given proper leverage?
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Like all martial arts techniques, ura nage is just the most efficient way of doing something, in this case lifting a person and putting them on their back. That doesn't mean it's easy, or that you can do it to someone who outweighs you by 200 lbs. So it's not a pure strength move in the sense that technique is irrelevant, but it definitely requires a fair amount of strength to execute against someone larger than you. The bigger the guy the better your technique has to be, and there's a point where if the physical difference is too great you're not going to be able to complete the move. The question reminds me of 'could Rickson armbar a gorilla' threads. No, of course not. Too big of a differential in pure strength. Technique isn't magic, it's just the best we've got.
 
If there was no resistance you could comfortably pick up someone at least two weight classes above you, right? So that means there is still skill and timing involved.

A good uranage involves good kuzushi like other throws.
 
Uchi Mata said:
Like all martial arts techniques, ura nage is just the most efficient way of doing something, in this case lifting a person and putting them on their back. That doesn't mean it's easy, or that you can do it to someone who outweighs you by 200 lbs. So it's not a pure strength move in the sense that technique is irrelevant, but it definitely requires a fair amount of strength to execute against someone larger than you. The bigger the guy the better your technique has to be, and there's a point where if the physical difference is too great you're not going to be able to complete the move. The question reminds me of 'could Rickson armbar a gorilla' threads. No, of course not. Too big of a differential in pure strength. Technique isn't magic, it's just the best we've got.
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It can be done against somebody who outweighs you by 200 pounds if your technique is good enough. GOAT throw right here, belly to belly suplex, 118 kg v. 198 kg. Needless to say, you are taking your life in your hands with such a maneuver!!!

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Zankou said:
It can be done against somebody who outweighs you by 200 pounds if your technique is good enough. GOAT throw right here, belly to belly suplex, 118 kg v. 198 kg. Needless to say, you are taking your life in your hands with such a maneuver!!!

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Dude still lands on his face. In an alternative universe where gravitational pull is a little stronger, that man would be dead! :icon_lol:
 
Yeah I have soured on ura nage because (despite its incredibly epic nature) when it goes wrong, it really goes wrong, and then 220 pounds of judoka is landing on your face and/or knees. Especially my beautiful face ...
 
What can I do if someone stiffarms me like crazy? I cant even get my grips and he doesn't even attempt to throw... Even if i get grips i cant throw him, becouse i can't get body contact due to his elbow sticking in my ribs preventing me from turning in (like this http://www.ejmas.com/jnc/cptsmith/Fig160.jpg). Only throws that works for me agains him are sumi gaeshi, yoko goruma and sometimes tani otoshi, but i need to get power grip first and throw is far from ippon.
 
Ura-nage can be used as a good tool against taller opponents that take a grip over your shoulder and kusuzhi is not always that necessary when used as a counter because the attacker will be weak when standing on one leg trying osoto-gari etc. When you lift you can help with your lower thigh of one of your legs like many Russian and eastern Europeans like to do. I always like to get a grip under the elbow of opponents most distant arm for more lifting power…
 
liunetor8310 said:
What can I do if someone stiffarms me like crazy? I cant even get my grips and he doesn't even attempt to throw... Even if i get grips i cant throw him, becouse i can't get body contact due to his elbow sticking in my ribs preventing me from turning in (like this http://www.ejmas.com/jnc/cptsmith/Fig160.jpg). Only throws that works for me agains him are sumi gaeshi, yoko goruma and sometimes tani otoshi, but i need to get power grip first and throw is far from ippon.
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If he does anything like that pic you linked, he's asking for a ko soto or de ashi. Or you can just say "fuck your elbow" and Korean morote around that shit. In fact, Korean morote is my go-to for stiff arms. The spinning action either breaks their grip or makes them want to reset.
 
Gorbag said:
Ura-nage can be used as a good tool against taller opponents that take a grip over your shoulder and kusuzhi is not always that necessary when used as a counter because the attacker will be weak when standing on one leg trying osoto-gari etc. When you lift you can help with your lower thigh of one of your legs like many Russian and eastern Europeans like to do. I always like to get a grip under the elbow of opponents most distant arm for more lifting power
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I love Kosoto gake on taller guys who grip high on me, I've probably mentioned it here a few times.

I do it on my left side and it works a treat but it never comes in randori as you have to totally bury your opponent to get the throw, it's one of those instinct throws for me.

I do it as a kind of ura nage crossed with a knee tap while sweeping the leg.
 
Zankou said:
I have been thunderously ura-nage'd that way by shorter opponents, and it was more of a slick kosoto gari/de ashi barai type counter and less of an epic Greco-Roman backarch unto death maneuver.
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Gripping the gi gives you a lot more control over the opponent's body, in contrast with Greco, where you are allowed to grip sweaty upper body only and throw without blocking the legs, so the only way to actually execute a suplex will be with tight grip and huge back arching.
In judo, you have so many variations of uranage, that you dont really need to do a full suplex. But the satisfaction you get after you properly throw someone 1,5 times heavier than you with a good arching...

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I don't think I've ever even attempted an ura nage.

I have an aversion to sutemi waza though, so that probably factors into it.
 
I love that gif, also this.

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Those are two of my favorite gifs!


And...i'm an ura nage guy my self. :D

I can't help it, god made me with ura nage in mind.
 
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