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TechRadar: The AMD Ryzen Threadripper is the most powerful processor we’ve ever tested
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Impressive benchmark results
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AMD Ryzen Threadripper’s long awaited release is still three days away, but today we’re spoiling you with a sneak peek of what this extreme processor can do.

TechRadar received an early review unit of the Alienware Area 51 Threadripper Edition, and we can confidently say it is the most powerful system we’ve ever tested. Not only does it feature a 16-core AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X processor, there’s also an Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti graphics card included as well.

Benchmarks
Here's how the Alienware Area 51 performed in our early testing:

3DMark: Sky Diver: 48,500; Fire Strike: 21,661; Time Spy: 9,273
Cinebench CPU: 162 (single-core); 2,994 (multi-core)
Rise of the Tomb Raider (1080p, Ultra): 91 fps
Rise of the Tomb Raider (1440p, Ultra): 58fps
Rise of the Tomb Raider (4K, Ultra): 27 fps

With all of this overwhelming computing power, we saw the Area 51 shred its way through the toughest benchmark tests we could throw at it.

Cinebench’s rendering test typically takes a good half minute to finish, but Threadripper chewed through the task in mere seconds. This is largely due to the fact that the 1950X has four to eight times the number of cores over the average CPU, each of which it can use to render part of the image simultaneously.

The Alienware Area 51’s Cinebench score blows past our previous record holder, the Origin Millennium, which completed the same test with 2,205 points using Intel’s last-generation, deca-core Intel Core i7-6950X Broadwell-E chip.

More impressively, we witnessed 3DMark’s most punishing graphics benchmarks, which typically cause most gaming PC to a stutter, running smoothly. Although it didn’t beat the Millennium’s 28,817 point score in Fire Strike, it came mighty close with just a single Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti versus the earlier’s dual Nvidia GTX 1080 configuration.

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Finally, we played Rise of the Tomb Raider on Ultra at 1080p, 1440p and 4K resolutions. From the numbers you can expect a playable experience no matter how many pixels you're asking it to push.

You’ll also likely get a faster frame rate by turning down some of the settings, as for our tests we turned up everything to max including Subpixel Morphological Antialiasing – a very demanding form of anti-aliasing.

This is just a taste of what Threadripper can do. We’ve still got a lot of testing to do here at the TechRadar labs and we’ll have full reviews on both the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1950X and Alienware Area 51 coming soon, so stay tuned.

  • The Origin Millenium scored 2,205 points on Cinebench (CPU = Intel i7-6950X, $1649 MSRP)
  • The Alienware Area 51 scored 2,994 points on Cinebench (CPU = AMD Threadripper 1950X, $999 MSRP)
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My god, the Threadripper supports 1TB of RAM? It's physically huge too. Are there currently any motherboards that could support this thing?
 
Here is interesting news from Reddit.

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LOL@EKWB denying the thermal wall on the Ryzen processors.

They hit 4.2GHz. Good for them. So have several other Ryzen benchmarkers. That's literally the highest anyone has hit on a Ryzen processor using traditional cooling methods. Don't buy a Ryzen processor expecting to overclock it north of 4.1GHz, and know that 3.9GHz is about the highest you can reasonably expect to be guaranteed.

I don't know why people feel the need to lie or mislead about that. More aggressive overclocks than that just crank up the noise and shorten CPU life, anyway.
My god, the Threadripper supports 1TB of RAM? It's physically huge too. Are there currently any motherboards that could support this thing?
X399 motherboard. There's only a few out, and they start at $350:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=x399 motherboard&Submit=ENE
 
LOL@EKWB denying the thermal wall on the Ryzen processors.

They hit 4.2GHz. Good for them. So have several other Ryzen benchmarkers. That's literally the highest anyone has hit on a Ryzen processor using traditional cooling methods. Don't buy a Ryzen processor expecting to overclock it north of 4.1GHz, and know that 3.9GHz is about the highest you can reasonably expect to be guaranteed.

I don't know why people feel the need to lie or mislead about that. More aggressive overclocks than that just crank up the noise and shorten CPU life, anyway.

X399 motherboard. There's only a few out, and they start at $350:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Description=x399 motherboard&Submit=ENE

4.2 may not be out of the norm. AMD has said they've been binning Ryzen for threadripper.
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cp...er_is_built_using_their_best_ryzen_cpu_dies/1
 
Perhaps, but if they're "rocking 4.2 easy" over there, why didn't they mention a higher clock than that on traditional water cooling? Why not 4.8 or 4.5?
They might be under an NDA. They could get away with saying 4.2 because there's already 4.2 chips in circulation
 
They might be under an NDA. They could get away with saying 4.2 because there's already 4.2 chips in circulation
It's a highly suspicious number to quote.
 
Are these better than Intel's Skylake ones?
 
It's a highly suspicious number to quote.
If they can hit 4.5 without a huge voltage increase, I may end up switching.
Have you been following up with the R3 reviews? It looks like the 1200 oc's to 3.9 just like the 1300 with no difference in performance.
 
If they can hit 4.5 without a huge voltage increase, I may end up switching.
For the 1920X? Damn, that's a pricey processor. If you're talking about a 4.5GHz Threadripper, though, you're into some seriously high-end shit.

*Edit* Oh, I didn't realize they had an eight-core planned for $550 to follow these two at later after launch. Still, that's a pricey processor.

Have you been following up with the R3 reviews? It looks like the 1200 oc's to 3.9 just like the 1300 with no difference in performance.
No, I had not seen that, but that's nice because it looks like that solidifies the R3 win in the $100-$150 range with less controversy.
Are these better than Intel's Skylake ones?
Not better, but a better value.

The new Ryzen Threadripper 1950X processor is $999 on Amazon, and has 16 cores that hyperthread (SMT). The current Intel Skylake Broadwell-E i7-6950X performs slightly better per core, but it only has 10 cores, and it goes for $1649 on Amazon. You can see how it fares in the chart I posted above in Post #382. The upcoming Skylake-X 16-core CPU will debut with an MSRP of $1699. The i7-7740X and i5-7640X are clearly the most well-suited to the gamer niche. The i7-7800X should also interest gamers on value.

Threadripper
  • TR-1950X (16c/32t) = $999
  • TR-1920X (12c/24t) = $799
  • TR-1900X (8c/16t) = $549
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Damn. I guess the price shouldn't be too surprising though since it's cutting edge tech. I realize this is targeted at workstations and graphic designer types but you know there will be some crazy gamers out there with too much free cash on their hands who will want this thing so they can play at 1000 fps, lol.
 
For the 1920X? Damn, that's a pricey processor. If you're talking about a 4.5GHz Threadripper, though, you're into some seriously high-end shit.

No, I had not seen that, but that's nice because it looks like that solidifies the R3 win in the $100-$150 range with less controversy.

Not better, but a better value.

The new Ryzen Threadripper 1950X processor is $999 on Amazon, and has 16 cores that hyperthread (SMT). The current Intel Skylake Broadwell-E i7-6950X performs slightly better per core, but it only has 10 cores, and it goes for $1649 on Amazon. The upcoming Skylake-X 16-core CPU will debut with an MSRP of $1699. The i7-7740X and i5-7640X are clearly the most well-suited to the gamer niche. The i7-7800X should also interest gamers on value.

Oh yeah, I should probably mention there will also be a 12 core Threadripper 1920X for $799.

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12/24 @4.5 should last a long time and I won't have to upgrade my CPU/mobo for 5+ years. I'm assuming they're going to be following the R series with not changing the CPU socket until 2020.
After watching how painstakingly slow the game devs have been in implementing dx12, I don't see them making anything above 6 cores the standard anytime soon.
 
12/24 @4.5 should last a long time and I won't have to upgrade my CPU/mobo for 5+ years. I'm assuming they're going to be following the R series with not changing the CPU socket until 2020.
After watching how painstakingly slow the game devs have been in implementing dx12, I don't see them making anything above 6 cores the standard anytime soon.
Agreed. It's such a pity, too. I've been playing Vainglory on this throwaway Ellipsis HD tablet that they bundled for free (to clear them out, I'm sure, LOL) with a new Verizon phone. It's on a middling ARM-based octacore 1.5GHz Snapdragon 617 processor with the Adreno 405 GPU; the same chipset in the Moto G4 and Moto G4 Plus.

But it's a Vulkan-supported game, and it's simply gorgeous. It's flawlessly fluid. It's on par with most Xbox 360 or PS3 graphics; not the great late stuff, but most of it. It almost looks as good as the desktop MOBAs like League of Legends. It's mind-blowing how much prettiness this dev team has squeezed out of so little processor. It's easily one of the most sophisticated pieces of software on Android/mobile.

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*Edit for reference*
  • This tablet scored a 712 SC / 2224 MC on the Geekbench 4 cross-platform CPU benchmark; SC= Single Core, MC = Multicore
    • By comparison, the iPhone 7 averages around 3450 SC / 5800 MC, and the NVIDIA Shield TV averages around 1500 SC / 4300 MC. The current desktop budget winner Intel Pentium G4560 averages in the 4300 SC / 8400 MC range. The current gaming king Intel i7-7700K averages in the 6000 SC / 21000 MC range.
  • This tablet scored 4.1 fps in the GFX Bench 1080p Manhattan 3.1 Offscreen Test.
    • By comparison, the iPhone 7 scores 29.7 fps, and the NVIDIA Shield TV notches 44.9 fps. The current entry desktop GPU RX 460 hits 101.7 fps. The GTX 1080 Ti holds the record with 533.2 fps.
  • This tablet scored 9,517 on the 3DMark Ice Storm Unlimited benchmark.
    • By comparison, the iPhone 7 scores 37,126, and the NVIDIA Shield TV scores 45,199. The entry desktop GPU RX 460 has scored 170,243 at stock. The GTX 1080 Ti overclocker HWBOT world record score is 327,188.
  • Overall, it's about on par with the original iPad Air from 2013, or the Samsung Galaxy S4, but with weaker per-core performance and graphics.
 
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Agreed. It's such a pity, too. I've been playing Vainglory on this throwaway Ellipsis HD tablet that they bundled for free (to clear them out, I'm sure, LOL) with a new Verizon phone. It's on a middling ARM-based octacore 1.5GHz Snapdragon 617 processor with the Adreno 405 GPU, but it's a Vulkan-supported game, and it's simply gorgeous. It's flawlessly fluid. It's on par with most Xbox 360 or PS3 graphics; not the great late stuff, but most of it. It's mind-blowing how much prettiness this dev team has squeezed out of so little processor.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see ARM based desktops coming out soon from the big guys like dell or hp.
 
And...
Tom's Hardware said:
Overclocking
Our Ryzen Threadripper 1950X sample overclocked to 3.9 GHz and 1.35V. However, the all-in-one water cooling solution in our kit couldn’t keep the system stable at that level. This was due to the processors’ power consumption rising to more than 250W during rendering.

And so we went back to our Chiller to achieve some better comparisons. This way, there’s one true constant to our measurements: a water temperature of approximately 20°C, which can be held constant, even topping more than 300W of waste heat.

For everyday use, a normal water-cooling solution will definitely suffice thanks to the soldered heat spreader, which makes AMD’s processor much less of a challenge than Intel's Core i9-7900X. Our approach simply allows us a bit more sophistication in our overclocking endeavors.


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Using the Chiller, AMD’s Ryzen Threadripper 1950X achieved 4 GHz at 1.45V. Just don't expect to see those results from your own overclock. Even the Chiller started to fall behind the CPU's thermal output as temperatures crept too high for comfort. This is why the processor is overclocked to more reasonable levels for our benchmarks, with Threadripper running at 3.9 GHz.
...as expected in the overclocking department.


*Edit*
Scored against the i7-7700K using the overclocked Threadripper [email protected] in Game Mode (i.e. SMT aka hyperthreading turned off).

Framerate
[email protected] Game Mode vs. [email protected] stock (@4.9GHz)
(16 core / 16 thread) vs. (4 core / 8 thread)

  • 97% (85%) = Civilization VI*
  • 100% (99%) = Battlefield 1
  • 86% (78%) = Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War III
  • 97% (88%) = Grand Theft Auto V
  • 94% (83%) = Hitman*
  • 97% (95%) = Middle-Earth: Shadow of Mordor
  • 85% (70%) = Project CARS*
  • 92% (87%) = Far Cry Primal
  • 101% (97%) = Rise of the Tomb Raider
  • 97% (96%) = The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
*benchmarked in DX12

Notice that the quad core i7 tends to do best in the DX12 titles. Also notice these are the same titles where the Threadripper's "Creator Mode" outperforms "Game Mode" at stock frequency due to the extra threads being utilized. So it's in these games where the i7's hyperthreading is creating distance when other games don't take advantage of that. There is no "Creator Mode" tested for the Threadripper at 3.9GHz-- if that could even be maintained.

Nevertheless, you can tell there is a heavy synchronous load on the first 2-4 cores, still, when the i7 creates that much space from the overclock with its boost of 900MHz vs. the Threadripper's 500MHz. The 7700K has proven remarkably resilient as the king of gamer CPUs.
 
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A chiller is an external water cooling system, right? Don't think I've ever seen one before.
 
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