Ocasio Cortez compares debating to catcalling, refuses to debate Ben Shapiro.

[Jorge Luis Borges]

Except that I don't think he would've asked to debate a man in the same situation.
Like all rightwing media talking heads, he's a sexist pussy in addition to all his other shitty qualities.

Yes, Ben Shapiro has never debated a man before.

You justify her sexist baiting without offering any solid evidence to suggest Shapiro had sexist motivations, then you generalize that to include all right wing media types. If there's a bigotry issue here, it seems to lie with you rather than geeky Shapiro.

 

[HomerThompson]

Yes, Ben Shapiro has never debated a man before.

You justify her sexist baiting without offering any solid evidence to suggest Shapiro had sexist motivations, then you generalize that to include all right wing media types. If there's a bigotry issue here, it seems to lie with you rather than geeky Shapiro.

In the same situation. Apparently you've lost the ability to read today as well.

 

[BjPenn2017]

No, I'm suggesting he wouldn't debate a man in the same situation, which is what I said.

Are you a complete fucking moron?

You should just go back to posting stupid gifs because the only one making a moron out of themselves here is you bud.. you're really putting the Homer into your name.

Im talking post season 8 of the simpsons Homer here too.

 

[nostradumbass]

I'd bring my gifs preloaded on my laptop for quick access.

 

[Rygu]

So, now you're going to be dishonest, in addition to being an idiot?

Have fun with that.

I asked a question. How is that being dishonest?

Just answer the question. It really is that simple.

 

[HomerThompson]

You should just go back to posting stupid gifs because the only one making a moron out of themselves here is you bud.. you're really putting the Homer into your name.

Im talking post season 8 of the simpsons Homer here too.

I accept your concession.

 

[D3THRONED]

SAME SITUATION.

It's like no one can fucking read today. Jesus Christ.

? You said he wouldn't debate if it was a man, I was just saying that he definitely would. I think Ben is a total d-bag btw.

 

[ocfightfan]

It's smart for her to duck Shapiro. I can't imagine any scenario where he doesn't expose her for the empty headed free lunch nutcase that she is.

 

[HomerThompson]

I asked a question. How is that being dishonest?

Just answer the question. It really is that simple.

"He's accomplished more by 25 than you ever will!"

Please explain how that isn't meant as an insult. Thanks in advance.

 

[HomerThompson]

? You said he wouldn't debate if it was a man, I was just saying that he definitely would. I think Ben is a total d-bag btw.

What's the entire situation? Just the gender, or is there more?

 

[Fawlty]

I think those are distinct strategies (the ones I named), but there is an element of both at play in both cases. The difference is more in emphasis. So I don't have a hard disagreement with you. It's complicated.

I think the GOP has been wanting to run against Pelosi in 2018 (and to avoid a referendum on Trump), but that creates problems as A) she could be a divisive figure (the left doesn't love her), but a ball's-out anti-Pelosi, paint-her-as-an extremist approach could end up uniting the left, and B) she could torpedo their whole campaign by making a late announcement that she's not interested in leadership positions. A national campaign against AOC could both give the GOP an unpopular politician to run against plausibly while also dividing the left (because the far left would actually accept her as a representative and moderates and pragmatists would push back against that).

I think the anti-Pelosi train is out of dirty coal at this point, but maybe there's still life in it. It won't save the House, anyway. Pelosi should loosen her goddamn talons in any case, for the record. It's just the right time to step aside.

I'm not sure where we're actually disagreeing though, lemme say it this way: I think this is really good press for Cortez and the left, bad for the Democratic Party establishment, and increases the chance of the Dems fielding a socialist in 2020. Also, I think the right wing is very aware of those things and is very happy with the way this Cortez circus is playing out (and sees her as an opportunity more than as a threat).

 

[Rygu]

"He's accomplished more by 25 than you ever will!"

Please explain how that isn't meant as an insult. Thanks in advance.

He accomplished more by 25 than I ever will.

 

[HomerThompson]

He accomplished more by 25 than I ever will.

Concession accepted.

 

[D3THRONED]

What's the entire situation? Just the gender, or is there more?

I dont care enough to go on to be honest. Need some hotdogs gifs in here though.

 

[BjPenn2017]

"He's accomplished more by 25 than you ever will!"

Please explain how that isn't meant as an insult. Thanks in advance.

Facts aren't insults.

 

[cincymma79]

Technically, you're wrong on the 2nd one. Catcalling actually encompasses a fairly broad range of behavior where one person yells or jeers things without provocation with the intention of making the other person uncomfortable. Pitchers get catcalled, comedians get catcalled. The type where men randomly yell sexually suggestive things at women just happens to be the type most in the public eye right now.

And catcalling isn't a man trying to hit on a girl to get her number. There's usually no intent to follow through. What guy yells at a woman across the street "Hey girl, you looking sexy" with the honest belief that she's going to stop what she's doing, cross the street and give him her number as a reward for his derring-do, lol. Guys do it for the attention, not because the outcome actually matters.

But that's as far as I'll take it since she was clearly referencing the guy/girl version. And, from what I've read in this thread, I don't think Ben was looking for a real debate with a real exchange of ideas. The outcome, to him, didn't matter. He just wanted the opportunity to make her look bad or lbe uncomfortable. Absent the sexual component, her analogy seems pretty on point.

He issued the challenge
She won’t accept
If this were reversed she’d say he was scared
She’s full of shit and you are off base

 

[GearSolidMetal]

I don't pay much attention to Ben Shapiro, but he's been on my radar since the last election because of this place. I don't recall ever having seen him challenge any politician running for office to a debate. Not once.

He's said on multiple occassions its his dream to debate Bernie Sanders.

"Anytime. Anywhere."

Bernie could easily beat this kid who looks like he just graduated middle-school, right?

 

[scoopj]

If she did actually accuse Republicans of avoiding debating her, while she still isn't obligated to accept his debate request, the "unsolicited" comment and much of the comparison falls flat. I will add a caveat to my original judgment that, if she did actually say what Shapiro is referencing, then she should either shut up or pony up. Now, that being said, not necessarily pony up and debate some news anchor/speaking tour guy, but find some actual Republican candidates to debate. She's not competing with Ben Shapiro to run the government - she's competing with politicians. If Ben runs for office, it makes a lot more sense to debate him.

I am not going to just take Shapiro's word for it though. This is the first I've heard of it, so I'd like to see a source before I switch my stated position on the issue. Is that fair?

I'm done posting for a while, but I'll keep an eye on the thread. If she said that, I suspect it will turn up - Sherdog's eyes are far reaching - and it will not be a good look for her.

I’ll try looking for a source later.

 

[Gluteus Swag]

I'd say Ben would have done the same thing if Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was Alexander Oscasio-Cortez. It's the whole prominent socialist thing that makes him want to debate her, not the whole having a vagina thing.

Plus the whole narrative surrounding her that Republicans are terrified of her.

 

[method115]

Can we make the thread about Ben Shapiro's sister instead?

wooh, can we please?