Observation on family, peers, and friends

[DiogenesOfSinope]

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Unfortunately, politics is like a chinese restaurant menu - NO substitutions. When what we actually want, is a la carte.

Ha! You've almost convinced me to bite.

 

[Thames]

I am genuinely shocked you believe he will try and follow through on this - putting his own and his children economic ventures at risk.

Figured you would've been able to pick up on pandering. The only nutjob that would have actually tried to go that radical with trade is Bernard.

His mantras on matters is pure fantastical pandering to sucker in nationalist and unskilled / low skilled labour workers.

Lol, so what do you think Trump will do if he becomes POTUS?

Pandering to nationalists and low skilled labour? Yes, because they care so much about debt and tax plans right?
The republican congress has held your country hostage, with refusing to increase the debt ceiling.
But it's impossible for you to believe that Trump, their front runner, will follow through on his 8 year "elimination" plan?
Or dramatically cut taxes for high earners?

I think it's you that has a hard time distinguishing pandering from actual suggestions.
And even if they get passed or not, you still have a president that is incompetent enough to think these are good ideas. With veto power over any rational policies.

But he just can't be bad for the economy, because he doesn't mean what he says. Okay. Great analysis.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Lol, so what do you think Trump will do if he becomes POTUS?

Aside from simplifying the tax code and reducing tiers to 4 brackets, i think he will be very pro trade - join TPP and CETA. Otherwise he will be extremely flippant on his other campaign promises - possibly alienating him to his base,

Pandering to nationalists and low skilled labour? Yes, because they care so much about debt and tax plans right?

No, they care about getting rid of foreigners and overseas job loss - both of which, Trump panders to.

The republican congress has held your country hostage, with refusing to increase the debt ceiling.
But it's impossible for you to believe that Trump, their front runner, will follow through on his 8 year "elimination" plan?
Or dramatically cut taxes for high earners?

I think the he will lower top marginal rates as well the median rate and eliminate the lowest bracket.

I think it's you that has a hard time distinguishing pandering from actual suggestions.
And even if they get passed or not, you still have a president that is incompetent enough to think these are good ideas. With veto power over any rational policies.

But he just can't be bad for the economy, because he doesn't mean what he says. Okay. Great analysis.

Sorry, Thames - i think it is you that is blind to pandering talking points.

Do you earnestly believe that a billionaire industrialist who has a magnitude of product offerings heavily influenced for the positive by trade, who has his children running his economic ventures - also heavily positively influenced by trade and then is going genuinely oppose it if he becomes president? Its like Rebecca Kiessling becoming pro-life if she became POTUS.

I think Trumps pandering is shady and disingenuous but not in the least worried about him implementing protectionist policy. He just figured out being a brash, authoritarian figure is going to appeal to people. To be fair, i am not worried Hillary would either.

However, if i was American, i would vote for trump purely on the lowering of taxation - like other high income, educated american voters would / will do.

Or at least wait till he mentions what he would cut / spend on. I personally need to see the GE campaign landscape and more policy put forth to make a decision. I support liberal social initiatives (gay marriage, race equality) but i support fiscal conservatism more.

Cruz is out and Bernie is on his deathbed - i can live with trump or clinton.

 

[ripskater]

Bernie Sanders = status quo?

lol wut?

I never said all.

 

[Lord_Impaler]

Right. Education and developing your mind is 'propaganda'. Do you realize how batshit insane statements like this are?

I went to college, earned a bachelor's in a STEM field.

You are unaware that non STEM college classes push an agenda?

That's truely baffling, educate yourself.

 

[Der Eisbär]

I went to college, earned a bachelor's in a STEM field.

You are unaware that non STEM college classes push an agenda?

That's truely baffling, educate yourself.

Did at any point did I give ANY indication that I was talking about STEM? You earned a bachelor's and didn't even learn how to use logic or properly refute a point?

 

[Thames]

Aside from simplifying the tax code and reducing tiers to 4 brackets, i think he will be very pro trade - join TPP and CETA. Otherwise he will be extremely flippant on his other campaign promises - possibly alienating him to his base,

No, they care about getting rid of foreigners and overseas job loss - both of which, Trump panders to.

I think the he will lower top marginal rates as well the median rate and eliminate the lowest bracket.

Sorry, Thames - i think it is you that is blind to pandering talking points.

Do you earnestly believe that a billionaire industrialist who has a magnitude of product offerings heavily influenced for the positive by trade, who has his children running his economic ventures - also heavily positively influenced by trade and then is going genuinely oppose it if he becomes president? Its like Rebecca Kiessling becoming pro-life if she became POTUS.

I think Trumps pandering is shady and disingenuous but not in the least worried about him implementing protectionist policy. He just figured out being a brash, authoritarian figure is going to appeal to people. To be fair, i am not worried Hillary would either.

However, if i was American, i would vote for trump purely on the lowering of taxation - like other high income, educated american voters would / will do.

Or at least wait till he mentions what he would cut / spend on. I personally need to see the GE campaign landscape and more policy put forth to make a decision. I support liberal social initiatives (gay marriage, race equality) but i support fiscal conservatism more.

Cruz is out and Bernie is on his deathbed - i can live with trump or clinton.

You asked for examples of bad economic policies, you either deny those examples to be true outside of pandering, or don't agree with economists on the issue (like tax cuts): http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/02/22/Trumpenomics-Would-Blow-Huge-Hole-Budget. So why the fuck are you talking to me like I'm blind to some points? It's you that have created your own bubble, not me.

You claim he actually deeps down does not mean what he says on trade. Despite him running on that issue from the get-go, and that he actually wrote an entire book on it back in 2011, and that he mentions it in every single speech. You base that assumption on fuck all, except for mentions of "pandering". Pandering to who? No one except Trump wanted to see tarrifs go up, he has just spinned it into something that will create jobs. He could have run on a billion of other things that could get back blue collar jobs, but he specifically chose increasing tarrifs. Again, as he have written a book about.
But no you say. He doesn't actually want that.. Just very.. erhhh creative pandering.. That's it..

You compare his stance on trade agreements with Hillary. Hillary who have a very specific policy plan, that is outlining the specific paragraphs she is not satisfied with and wants re-negotiated, with a man who wants to eliminate them and increase tarrifs to 40+%. Again, showing you don't understand the issue.

That you are a fiscal conservative might explain why you do not agree with my, and economists, examples of bad economic policies. Fiscal conservatism is not exactly an ideology with a solid track record.

That you could live with both Clinton or Trump is simply a statement highlighting that you either don't care about politics, or don't understand it.