Objective Facts From the Bisping/Anderson Fight

[Final Say]

I see a lot of people arguing the wrong things pertaining to this fight and decided I would be objective and inject some sense into the conversation.

• The knee was legal. It was not thrown too late and thus cannot land too late.
• It is nobody's fault but Bisping's that he was hit by that knee. Every fighter and every person who's been near a sanctioned event knows that you have to protect yourself at all times. You can only be hit if you don't properly defend yourself and he was not paying attention to the immediate threat.
• The fight should not have been stopped after the knee. Bisping was conscious and immediately reacted and responded following the blow. This point is also made more clear by the fact that Bisping came out in the next round looking clear minded and performed well, but it's not the main argument for this point because a fighter who was knocked out and rendered unconscious could potentially look recovered in the next round whether or not they actually were.
• Bisping was saved by the bell. If there was any more time left in the round that Anderson could have utilized to pounce on Bisping, he may have finished the fight. The round ended, Bisping was conscious and able to continue, so the fight goes on.
• I might have added a teensy bit of opinion on this one, but most of it is fact: Herb Dean acted correctly and did the best possible job he could have done under the circumstances. He picked up the mouth piece and was prepared to give it back to Bisping when the opportunity presented itself. He did not halt the action leading to the knee and thus was not responsible for Bisping being distracted and eating the knee. He allowed Bisping to continue after he saw he was able to continue.
• It is up to you and nobody else how you scored the fight. The sanctioned judges score it for Bisping, so he's the winner on paper.

The murkiest part of this fight is the extra time in between rounds. Normally, I am of the opinion that you must be ready to answer the bell when the next round starts or the fight should be immediately topped. However with Anderson celebrating and seemingly not understanding the situation, it wasn't a clear decision. Another situation where I give Herb Dean props. He could have stopped the fight and declared either fighter the winner based on what happened at the end of round three and the break before round four. He realized that everyone was able to continue and once the smoke cleared, the best case scenario was to let the fight play out.

Questions, comments, concerns?

 

[DevilsLettuce]

Cliffs: Is normal.

 

[P4p Islam]

The knee was legal. Bisping won 3 of 5 rounds.

No further discussion.

 

[dr_hellno]

Claims objectivity. Is immediately subjective.

 

[IamStryker]

You added a lot of opinion in with those "facts".

 

[Final Say]

You added a lot of opinion in with those "facts".

Only, and I mean only with the herb dean bullet point. I will amend that part

 

[cumafish]

 

[MaTaLa]

I always laugh when I see titles talkin' 'bout facts...TS didn't disappoint. Wouldn't know a fact if it slapped him.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

OOH!!!

Gimme the subjective facts now!!!

 

[basementdweller]

I see a lot of people arguing the wrong things pertaining to this fight and decided I would be objective and inject some sense into the conversation.

• The knee was legal. It was not thrown too late and thus cannot land too late.
• It is nobody's fault but Bisping's that he was hit by that knee. Every fighter and every person who's been near a sanctioned event knows that you have to protect yourself at all times. You can only be hit if you don't properly defend yourself and he was not paying attention to the immediate threat.
• The fight should not have been stopped after the knee. Bisping was conscious and immediately reacted and responded following the blow. This point is also made more clear by the fact that Bisping came out in the next round looking clear minded and performed well, but it's not the main argument for this point because a fighter who was knocked out and rendered unconscious could potentially look recovered in the next round whether or not they actually were.
• Bisping was saved by the bell. If there was any more time left in the round that Anderson could have utilized to pounce on Bisping, he may have finished the fight. The round ended, Bisping was conscious and able to continue, so the fight goes on.
• Herb Dean acted correctly and did the best possible job he could have done under the circumstances. He picked up the mouth piece and was prepared to give it back to Bisping when the opportunity presented itself. He did not halt the action leading to the knee and thus was not responsible for Bisping being distracted and eating the knee. He allowed Bisping to continue after he saw he was able to continue.
• It is up to you and nobody else how you scored the fight. The sanctioned judges score it for Bisping, so he's the winner on paper.

The murkiest part of this fight is the extra time in between rounds. Normally, I am of the opinion that you must be ready to answer the bell when the next round starts or the fight should be immediately topped. However with Anderson celebrating and seemingly not understanding the situation, it wasn't a clear decision. Another situation where I give Herb Dean props. He could have stopped the fight and declared either fighter the winner based on what happened at the end of round three and the break before round four. He realized that everyone was able to continue and once the smoke cleared, the best case scenario was to let the fight play out.

Questions, comments, concerns?

Don't you think Herb should have done something with Silva when he was celebrating the win like a Palhares? I agree with everything else.

 

[LZD]

Finally someone making sense.

Sherbros - so often blinded by hate one way or another.

 

[Arm Barbarian]

Can't find much argument in what you stated TS. A whole lotta cryin & whinin', but it was a fun fight that I enjoyed, and don't see much to scream over, controversy-wise.

 

[esalmighty]

I agree with you, mostly.

The only one I go back and forth on is the mouth piece. Herb should have called timeout the second he saw it. I have seen many a fights where that is the case.

But the ref makes the call, and Bisping ended up winning. So there isn't much to be said about that.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

I've only watched it once but I thought it was over in the 3rd. I also thought Anderson won the last 3 rounds. I'm ok with the outcome, but if we're going to keep discussing it then I will weigh in with my opinion.

 

[Final Say]

Don't you think Herb should have done something with Silva when he was celebrating the win like a Palhares? I agree with everything else.

And this is why I have trouble with the time between rounds. While Silva was acting silly and almost certainly knew the fight hadn't been called off, he only ended up giving Bisping more time to recover. With the way Mike looked in round 4, I have to say things kind of balanced themselves out.

Obviously the worst thing that could have happened there was Herb ending the fight one way or the other. Since Bisping won on the score cards, a point deduction would have been meaningless and only would have given these idiots more to argue about despite the fact that it wouldn't have effected the outcome.

 

[Final Say]

I always laugh when I see titles talkin' 'bout facts...TS didn't disappoint. Wouldn't know a fact if it slapped him.

I normally just ignore posts like this because you've offered nothing.


But for the sake of other readers I just want to say that this guy is dead wrong, nearly everything I posted can be supported by the rules and if this guy could poke any holes in my post or the logic used, he would have in his very first response

 

[esalmighty]

And this is why I have trouble with the time between rounds. While Silva was acting silly and almost certainly knew the fight hadn't been called off, he only ended up giving Bisping more time to recover. With the way Mike looked in round 4, I have to say things kind of balanced themselves out.

Obviously the worst thing that could have happened there was Herb ending the fight one way or the other. Since Bisping won on the score cards, a point deduction would have been meaningless and only would have given these idiots more to argue about despite the fact that it wouldn't have effected the outcome.

If I recall, Bisping stood up on his own. I feel if he was "knocked out" like so many people want to say he was, then he wouldn't of had the equilibrium to stand straight like he was.

 

[Final Say]

I agree with you, mostly.

The only one I go back and forth on is the mouth piece. Herb should have called timeout the second he saw it. I have seen many a fights where that is the case.

But the ref makes the call, and Bisping ended up winning. So there isn't much to be said about that.

Unsure about what, if anything the official 'rule book' says on this. I've heard a few referees comment on it and say that a ref should wait until there's a clear and natural break in the action before he allows the fighter to put it back in. If the rule isn't so specific, at least the precedent is already set. We've seen that happen a few times.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Don't you think Herb should have done something with Silva when he was celebrating the win like a Palhares? I agree with everything else.

It's a trickier situation, mostly because the round was over at that point. Not really Herb's wheelhouse until the timer between rounds goes off and it's time to ring the bell again. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think there's a protocol for what you can and can't do in your own corner between rounds. You can sit on the stool, on the mat, crouch down, stand up, face the fence, face the middle of the cage. I don't know that anyone would say "you can't be up there" if you decided to sit on the cage between rounds, so long as you answer the bell for the next round.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Unsure about what, if anything the official 'rule book' says on this. I've heard a few referees comment on it and say that a ref should wait until there's a clear and natural break in the action before he allows the fighter to put it back in. If the rule isn't so specific, at least the precedent is already set. We've seen that happen a few times.

If the mouthpiece is involuntarily dislodged during competition, the referee shall call time, clean the mouthpiece, and reinsert the mouthpiece at the first opportune moment without interfering with the immediate action.

The rules are clear on the protocol, but like with many things, the referee's discretion is the deciding factor. Prerogative and the situation are really the governing forces.