Obamacare Legislative Process vs Trumpcare Legislative Process

obamacare took months to pass and all they were doing was giving shit away for votes, now the republicans are task with taking away some of that same shit and it won't be a pretty process

most importantly democrats got killed in the next couple election cycles because they forced obamacare through

now the chicken little media is going to try and convince everyone that the republicans are killing people trying to clean up the unsustainable disaster that is obamacare

the only fix is to scrap the entire mess and start over, they won't do it though because they're scared of bad press. Trump is the only one that doesn't fall for their constant intimidation tactics

There is no starting over, there is no going back to 2009 or 1999 or to 1989. Bitching about Obamacare ruining healthcare is like bitching about a parachute because you are falling while pointing that when you opened the parachute you were actually higher in the air than after.

Then bitch that because you opened the parachute you now cant cut it and go back to being higher.

Repealing Obamacare wont fix healthcare, healthcare will only be fixed in a free market enviroment, when people with expensive diseases just die.
 
There is no starting over, there is no going back to 2009 or 1999 or to 1989. Bitching about Obamacare ruining healthcare is like bitching about a parachute because you are falling while pointing that when you opened the parachute you were actually higher in the air than after.

Then bitch that because you opened the parachute you now cant cut it and go back to being higher.

Repealing Obamacare wont fix healthcare, healthcare will only be fixed in a free market enviroment, when people with expensive diseases just die.

What is it like when the people who create a terrible mess sit back and ridicule the people trying to clean it up and then celebrating when they fail?
 
What is it like when the people who create a terrible mess sit back and ridicule the people trying to clean it up and then celebrating when they fail?

Democrats created spiraling healthcare costs?

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And before Socialism, funny how countries with higher life expectancy at 65 also spend much, much, much less than America on elderly healthcare.

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Again are Trumpsters born yesterday or they simply dont realize why the debate over healthcare happened in 2009.
 
Democrats created spiraling healthcare costs?

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And before Socialism, funny how countries with higher life expectancy at 65 also spend much, much, much less than America on elderly healthcare.

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Again are Trumpsters born yesterday or they simply dont realize why the debate over healthcare happened in 2009.

That stuff is painful to look it.

Big Pharma here will literally piss on the graves of people to make more money.
 
Democrats created spiraling healthcare costs?

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No but then did create and pass a bill that makes the situation worse not to mention hurts our economy.

And before Socialism, funny how countries with higher life expectancy at 65 also spend much, much, much less than America on elderly healthcare.

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Again are Trumpsters born yesterday or they simply dont realize why the debate over healthcare happened in 2009.

Irrelevant facts are awesome
 
No but then did create and pass a bill that makes the situation worse not to mention hurts our economy.

If it makes the situation worse a full repeal would be in order isnt? why dont republicans do that?
 
It still amazes me that you're all so busy doing some sort of victory dance pointing fingers and laughing that you are missing that many GOP members, in this incredibly partisan environment, actually had the integrity to not vote for a bad bill that was so significant in the realm of the partisan trench warfare between the parties. This is something we need *way* more of in our political environment, but all I'm seeing is "HA HA HA! THEY COULDN'T DO IT! HA HA HA!" - which, in part, represents we need more of this stepping back and judging a shitty bill on its merits rather than just ramming it through because "Our guys wrote it and fuck Obama!"

In an environment where everyone seems to value legislation based on party affiliation rather than merit, this is a good thing - but lord knows no credit will be given for it because there's an opportunity for laughing at the other side... And the cycle of shitty partisan politics is reinforced, with a big smile on our faces. It's rare you get to see a shining example of what's wrong with our political environment but damn it, this forum is delivering right now.

Well this sure is a fresh take. Did you read any of the article?

The entire process from top to bottom was an embarrassing shitshow and we're supposed to be congratulating Republicans because a bunch of sociopaths couldn't agree on exactly how hard to fuck the poor and elderly to give tax cuts to rich people. Everyone involved came out of this looking absolutely fucking terrible and they deserve to be laughed at for it.

Congrats on being above the fray though! It's too bad I'm too much of a partisan hack to appreciate how measured and responsible Republicans are.
 
Because it would be politically disastrous to simply uninsure millions of people

But according to him premiums would go way down and the economy would grow even more, so wouldnt that benefit the millions of Americans who wont be curbed and thus become political capital?
 
But according to him premiums would go way down and the economy would grow even more, so wouldnt that benefit the millions of Americans who wont be curbed and thus become political capital?
There's an old expression, "Lacking the courage of one's convictions"
 
President Obama takes questions for an an hour and twenty minutes from the House Republican Caucus on the ACA in this video which was televised LIVE nationally I may add -


Do you think you'd ever see Trump go to a Democratic House Conference and face 80 minutes of questions from Democratic Reps on live television to defend and explain any policy he was pushing.
 
Exactly. Perhaps if Obama and the Democrats had the discipline to NOT vote for shitty bills they haven't read then this wouldn't even be an issue.
If Obamacare was so bad it would be easy to come up with a better plan.


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Ehthiest just truth bombed the shit out of you guys
 
President Obama takes questions for an an hour and twenty minutes from the House Republican Caucus on the ACA in this video which was televised LIVE nationally I may add -


Do you think you'd ever see Trump go to a Democratic House Conference and face 80 minutes of questions from Democratic Reps on live television to defend and explain any policy he was pushing.

to bad he wasn't under oath
 
What is it like when the people who create a terrible mess sit back and ridicule the people trying to clean it up and then celebrating when they fail?


Ask the Obama administration how it was to pick up the pieces of the destruction that was called George bush
 
It still amazes me that you're all so busy doing some sort of victory dance pointing fingers and laughing that you are missing that many GOP members, in this incredibly partisan environment, actually had the integrity to not vote for a bad bill that was so significant in the realm of the partisan trench warfare between the parties. This is something we need *way* more of in our political environment, but all I'm seeing is "HA HA HA! THEY COULDN'T DO IT! HA HA HA!" - which, in part, represents we need more of this stepping back and judging a shitty bill on its merits rather than just ramming it through because "Our guys wrote it and fuck Obama!"

In an environment where everyone seems to value legislation based on party affiliation rather than merit, this is a good thing - but lord knows no credit will be given for it because there's an opportunity for laughing at the other side... And the cycle of shitty partisan politics is reinforced, with a big smile on our faces. It's rare you get to see a shining example of what's wrong with our political environment but damn it, this forum is delivering right now.


The bill didnt get shot down because it was garbage. The freedom caucus regused because it wasnt garbage enough.

And its a gop bill. If the introduced something that wasnt a dumpster fire that would be worth celebrating. You dont get points for not serving a turkey you burnt. You get points for not burning it
 
I could see Trump coming up with his own healthcare plan away from Ryan that is very liberal. He's not a true conservative.
This was Trump's plan, remember? The master delegater? The consummate executive who will tap the right man for the job? Remember that? That was the line we were fed when we pointed out how ignorant and inexperienced he personally is.

Trump's too stupid to do things on his own. You'll never get anything but more of the same from him.
 
I cannot stress this enough, but ABSOLUTELY YES. We have a political environment which is so ridden with outright garbage bills loaded with ideological trash that make no attempt to actually pursue the good of the country, countless poison pill bills, and countless bills which are done, it seems, with the largest intent being to spite the other side and/or ignore their interests - and these bills get passed. So yes, when another one of any number of utter garbage bills hits the floor and it doesn't get passed because the side that could easily pass it steps back and says "hey guys, I know this is our bill, and I know 'fuck Obama,' but this bill sucks... Let's not vote for it." THAT is worthy of applause.

You people spent most of the last presidency complaining that Obama was being blocked at every turn and now that he's gone the greatest legacy of his presidency was on the block - and the other side, rather than axing it just because "fuck Obama!" looked at their own bill, found it wanting, and voted it down - and now all you can do and laugh at how incompetent they are rather than applaud them for not voting along party lines. The ACA isn't gone because they proved to be less partisan than you people are proving to be - simple as that... And all you can do is laugh at people who took a step beyond what you seem capable of doing - for the good of America, rather than their party.

You people are truly showing yourselves to be part and parcel to the partisan tumor that's rotting our political process every way you look at it. If you take this opportunity to do nothing but mock the other side along the lines you are, and don't applaud an act of non-partisan voting that we *desperately* need, then you are an utter hypocrite if you complain about partisanship in politics in months to come. You're making this bed, partisan hacks. Own it.

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This was Trump's plan, remember? The master delegater? The consummate executive who will tap the right man for the job? Remember that? That was the line we were fed when we pointed out how ignorant and inexperienced he personally is.

Trump's too stupid to do things on his own. You'll never get anything but more of the same from him.
Trump is smarter than you think.
 
It still amazes me that you're all so busy doing some sort of victory dance pointing fingers and laughing that you are missing that many GOP members, in this incredibly partisan environment, actually had the integrity to not vote for a bad bill that was so significant in the realm of the partisan trench warfare between the parties. This is something we need *way* more of in our political environment, but all I'm seeing is "HA HA HA! THEY COULDN'T DO IT! HA HA HA!" - which, in part, represents we need more of this stepping back and judging a shitty bill on its merits rather than just ramming it through because "Our guys wrote it and fuck Obama!"

In an environment where everyone seems to value legislation based on party affiliation rather than merit, this is a good thing - but lord knows no credit will be given for it because there's an opportunity for laughing at the other side... And the cycle of shitty partisan politics is reinforced, with a big smile on our faces. It's rare you get to see a shining example of what's wrong with our political environment but damn it, this forum is delivering right now.
You utterly misinformed windbag. The only "partisan trench warfare" here was different factions of Republicans throwing tantrums over the bill not being draconian enough. The celebration is more than justified, because these idiots are trying to destroy American healthcare. It's marvelous to see them tearing each other's throats out. Nice try.
 
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