Obama to screw more workers RE: overtime

[Skip Reming]

In another move that will further the fucking disaster Obama has made this country he wants to make a law that if you make under $47,476 per year and work more than 40 hours per week you must get paid time and a half.

Lol, you qualified for this get but did not get time and a half get ready to get those hours lost and some part timer receiving no benefits to do that work for you.

This POS cannot get out of office fast enough.


http://www.dailywire.com/news/5916/new-obama-regulation-set-cripple-employers-again-ben-shapiro

Leftists desperately wish that reality didn’t exist. Nowhere is that truer than in the field of economics, where the geniuses of the left think that their arbitrary definitions of “fairness” should steamroll the actual realities of the marketplace. Their latest sally into the marketplace comes via a Labor Department ruling that Americans must receive time-and-a-half if they make under $47,476 per year and work more than 40 hours per week.

Speaker of the House Paul Ryan stated, “This regulation hurts the very people it alleges to help. Who is hurt most? Students, non-profit employees, and people starting a new career…For the sake of his own political legacy, President Obama is rushing through regulations – like the overtime rule – that will cause people to lose their livelihoods.”

Obama - tyrant and worst president ever

 

[JDragon]

IMO it should be based on the work contract you signed. I am fine with all three options (payout of overtime, paid leave for overtime, nothing for overtime) as long as it is in the contract you signed.

Love it, change it or leave it.

 

[Seano]

Obama does seem to be well intentioned with a lot of this stuff but doesn't seem to factor reality into the equation.

 

[Skip Reming]

Obama does seem to be well intentioned with a lot of this stuff but doesn't seem to factor reality into the equation.

I'd say he doesn't. I say he is trying to force an equality of outcome. This is against our economic system which has been the most successful ever.
But as with it is with Obama, some people are special -- and those are the very people he will end up screwing.

 

[NastyNinja]

Should help out those who break 40 every now and than, Glad to see him trying to put some coin into the pockets of people.

And if the OP is right that means more people should get hired part time ...woot more jobs!

 

[HunterSdVa29]

not really seeing the problem w/ this, what percentage of people that make under 50k are on salary? not that many right?

so this should be only helping really hourly employees that are gettting dicked, as they're working over 40 now w/o proper compensation

 

[Fawlty]

not really seeing the problem w/ this, what percentage of people that make under 50k are on salary? not that many right?

so this should be only helping really hourly employees that are gettting dicked, as they're working over 40 now w/o proper compensation

Correct, this is good for overworked frontline managers and will have little effect on others.

 

[saugeye killah]

That's what you call a "minimum standard" in a civilized nation, skip.

Why the fuck shouldn't a company pay someone working more than 40 hours time and a half? King Soopers does it, they're unionized, and guess what? They keep seeing record profits every period. They're even starting to put the screws the Walmart in this part of the country.

Anything less would be uncivilized. This notion of yours that you have to fuck people over and shit on your employees is absolute fiction, same as everything else you've ever said, I guess.

 

[RespectableDenizen]

Obama does seem to be well intentioned with a lot of this stuff but doesn't seem to factor reality into the equation.

A lot of liberal ideas are like this.

 

[Skip Reming]

That's what you call a "minimum standard" in a civilized nation, skip.

Why the fuck shouldn't a company pay someone working more than 40 hours time and a half? King Soopers does it, they're unionized, and guess what? They keep seeing record profits every period. They're even starting to put the screws the Walmart in this part of the country.

Anything less would be uncivilized.

I live in something called reality. We are already seeing that $15 an hour minimum wage is a fucking disaster, why would this be any different?
Why should someone who makes under X be forced to get time and a half for overtime but not the person who makes over X???

The market sets the price/value. Artificial controls like this always hurt more than help.

You are artificially making these workers more expensive than they should be and nothing but bad will come of it. Period.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Obama does seem to be well intentioned with a lot of this stuff but doesn't seem to factor reality into the equation.

What is the "reality" in this scenario?

The fact that, if allowed to do so by the law, an owner will exert his economic power over a worker and exploit the worker's circumstantial desperation in order to increase his bottom line?

 

[saugeye killah]

Explain why a company that's unionized like Kroger is kicking the shit out of Walmart pls.

 

[JDragon]

This is an issue employers and employees should work out - with involvement of workers' council and unions, if existing. Same with minimum wage actually - I believe the state should better stay out of this.

 

[Skip Reming]

Explain why a company that's unionized like Kroger is kicking the shit out of Walmart pls.

Explain to me why Hostess is kicking the shit out of Entenmann's?
"The predecessor to this Hostess Brands filed for bankruptcy protection in 2012 after years of turmoil and later decided to go out of business after a nationwide strike crippled its operations."

Seeing how neither of these have anything to do with this thread though maybe you should create your own

What is the "reality" in this scenario?

The fact that, if allowed to do so by the law, an owner will exert his economic power over a worker and exploit the worker's circumstantial desperation in order to increase his bottom line?

How much risk do employee's take? If a business loses money do employees just not get paid those years? You don't know shit about economics. I mean you really fucking don't. You should talk about something else. Our "bottom" people are better off than most people in the fucking world. The reason is because of free enterprise.

Reality is how business works. The market sets the price of goods and wages.

 

[K1levelgrappler]

You are artificially making these workers more expensive than they should be and nothing but bad will come of it. Period.

I take it you're in favor of abolishing the minimum wage and the 40 hour week as well as gutting safety and labor standards? They all the same thing.

 

[saugeye killah]

Yeah, if you don't see how that correlates to your idiotic op, then it is you who doesn't live in reality at all.

 

[Skip Reming]

I take it you're in favor of abolishing the minimum wage and the 40 hour week as well as gutting safety and labor standards? They all the same thing.

nope, but maybe make a thread on those topics.

$15 an hour min wage is working just great isn't it?

Yeah, you don't live in reality at all.

weird how I always back my shit up with facts while you back them up with just empty whining

 

[Fawlty]

This is an issue employers and employees should work out - with involvement of workers' council and unions, if existing. Same with minimum wage actually - I believe the state should better stay out of this.

The government does have a duty to step in when the welfare of its citizens is suffering, and I think this measure is just fine along those lines. It's actually not a major change because it will affect salaried workers between ~25k and 45k a year, the people trying to get into the middle class. They are overworked and are rarely fully compensated for their overtime, as anybody who came up through something like fast food management can tell you. That group is working harder and struggling more than any other, so I support the law.

But it doesn't get at what I think is the biggest problem in America right now- which is workers not demanding enough of the profits. The government cannot fix that directly, so anything like this or a minimum wage increase is only going to help in the short term. The long term problem is the too-high-value that we place on the corporate ownership of our time and our labor. But we're seeing the modernization of unions (friendlier, hi-tech relationships with management) finally beginning to catch on, so I think the future looks good there.

 

[VulcanNervPinch]

 

[saugeye killah]

$15 an hour is doing fine, thank you.

If you took the time to look beyond the Forbes and Newsmax propaganda.

https://www.dol.gov/featured/minimum-wage/mythbuster

You didn't back shit up. you busted out some weak deflection and didn't answer the question. Buhbye.