NYPD cops admit to targeting minorities

[justblaze717]

Sorry if it's already been posted.

NYPD cops admitting that their higher ups told them to target minorities between ages 14-21 for stop and frisk searches, especially when it was getting close to their end of month. Basically had to make up infractions or charge people for the smallest things to make sure they met quota.

I find this hilarious given how much Rudy Giulani has been speaking a lot lately about BLM.

 

[Madmick]

Stop and frisk has been widely condemned on both sides of the political spectrum last that I recall this topic came up in the WR, and this is a principally white, male political subforum (~70% Trump supporters), so that's telling you something.

Unless Rudy Guiliani also gave them a quota to gun down unarmed black perps, then I don't see his hypocrisy.

Otherwise this is a nonsensical conflation of "Stop & Frisk" with #BLM. Since the statistics overwhelmingly indicate that #BLM doesn't have a case, I'm going to presume that this attacks the contextual statistics which explain much of the heightened violence between police and blacks vs. all other races, but as you can already see, another minority which isn't killed at these heightened rates is also being targeted, so right off the bat, we realize this is a fruitless avenue of logic unless you can demonstrate that Latinos (specifically unarmed Latinos) are suffering higher rates of murder at the hands of police in those areas relative to the rest of the country.

These so-called "quotas" (which don't sound they were enforced as such in the officer-facing environment) should be studied to see if they artificially ballooned the number of arrests of blacks above the ratio for their race as they appear in victim reports or even in conviction rates. Then you could argue that "Stop & Frisk" is artificially spiking the number of confrontations between police and blacks which is one of the factors explaining their heightened murder at the hands of police. Then you could look to see if these statistics are availing themselves in the actual number of blacks being killed by police in Manhattan or other NY/NJ departments that might be employing similar measures versus other departments that don't Stop & Frisk around the country.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Sorry if it's already been posted.

NYPD cops admitting that their higher ups told them to target minorities between ages 14-21 for stop and frisk searches, especially when it was getting close to their end of month. Basically had to make up infractions or charge people for the smallest things to make sure they met quota.

I find this hilarious given how much Rudy Giulani has been speaking a lot lately about BLM.

Rudy Giuliani is absolutely correct in everything he says about BLM. They are inherently racist and they obviously care very little about black on black violence and murder which is by far a bigger problem than cops killing blacks.

 

[Banchan]

They will also mess with you if they think you are and international student . I know this from experience .

 

[Devout Pessimist]

These two beautiful black women know what is going on!

 

[IDL]

They will also mess with you if they think you are and international student . I know this from experience .

How could they possibly tell who is an international student?

 

[clmetal]

They do commit a disproportionate amount of the crime there.

“I don’t care about racial profiling. You know, sometimes it is good we are racially profiled, because the God’s honest truth is that 99 percent of the people that are robbing, stealing, killing these drivers are blacks and Hispanics,” said Mateo, who is Hispanic and has a black father.

“So if you see suspicious activity, you know what? Don’t pick that person up.”

http://nypost.com/2010/12/07/taxi-big-fair-to-profile/

 

[DangDaGawd]

How could they possibly tell who is an international student?

By asking?

 

[justblaze717]

Unless Rudy Guiliani also gave them a quota to gun down unarmed black perps, then I don't see his hypocrisy.

Rudy basically always points out that blacks need to do better and stop placing the blame. I somewhat agree, a lot of the issues in the community are self anointed, however, the crime statistics would be much different if we were all given a fair shake. The black kid from the Bronx catches a petty charge for weed due to the frisk, while the white kid from Manhattan isn't being frisked, even though he also has weed on him. Not to mention NYPD is known for illegally planting evidence.

 

[IDL]

By asking?

If that's what she means, that they open a dialogue and determine if they are international students, then they start messing with them for some reason.

 

[Pixelated Porn]

Title should read : "NYPD cops admit to targeting minorities based on statistical crime data"

Stop and frisk was a success. There are limited police resources. If gun crime in NYC is 98% black and hispanics, then why would you not target those groups the most? But the actual numbers are less that 98% b/m targeting for S&F, they are actually targeting them less than statistic data (facts) tell them too.

DUI checkpoints follow the same shit. When are people most likely to drive drunk? They set up checkpoints at the same time.

If the facts show that X type of person is most likely to have a gun, then yes, people fitting that bill should be frisked more. It is fucking common sense not KKK shit.
I guarantee you they are not stopping and frisking black guys in suits going to their job on wall street.

But yes, go back to the Dinkins era if you want that .... and profit off crime

 

[IDL]

If there are quotas, then it makes logical sense to profile to increase odds. Any gambler would do the same.

Maybe the problem is quotas.

 

[justblaze717]

Title should read : "NYPD cops admit to targeting minorities based on statistical crime data"

Stop and frisk was a success. There are limited police resources. If gun crime in NYC is 98% black and hispanics, then why would you not target those groups the most? But the actual numbers are less that 98% b/m targeting for S&F, they are actually targeting them less than statistic data (facts) tell them too.

DUI checkpoints follow the same shit. When are people most likely to drive drunk? They set up checkpoints at the same time.

If the facts show that X type of person is most likely to have a gun, then yes, people fitting that bill should be frisked more. It is fucking common sense not KKK shit.
I guarantee you they are not stopping and frisking black guys in suits going to their job on wall street.

But yes, go back to the Dinkins era if you want that .... and profit off crime

Did you listen to the video? The cops are basically admitting to making up crimes to meet their monthly quota.

 

[superpunch]

Rudy basically always points out that blacks need to do better and stop placing the blame. I somewhat agree, a lot of the issues in the community are self anointed, however, the crime statistics would be much different if we were all given a fair shake. The black kid from the Bronx catches a petty charge for weed due to the frisk, while the white kid from Manhattan isn't being frisked, even though he also has weed on him. Not to mention NYPD is known for illegally planting evidence.

Can you name one country in the world where black people have a low crime rate? Just one?

If you can't name just one country then blaming high black crime rates on anything in America is insane.

You Americans like to think that you're the only country and the most important people in the world. There's an entire world out there you know you xenophobes . It's not just you. LOL

 

[justblaze717]

Can you name one country in the world where black people have a low crime rate? Just one?

If you can't name just one country then blaming high black crime rates on anything in America is insane.

You Americans like to think that you're the only country and the most important people in the world. There's an entire world out there you know . It's not just you. LOL

People like you are the problem. You see nothing wrong with the police admitting they falsified arrests to make sure they met a monthly quota. Too stuck in your own views to actually see where the other side is coming from.

 

[DangDaGawd]

If that's what she means, that they open a dialogue and determine if they are international students, then they start messing with them for some reason.

They could tell they weren't a citizen by checking their ids and probably listening to them speak. Maybe it's the "student" part, you're getting hung up on.

As for non-citizens, I wouldn't be surprised if certain cops took liberties with them considering they aren't entitled to the same Constitutional protections as citizens.

 

[panamaican]

Will be interesting to see how the case pans out. The Judge already chastised the NYPD for deleting the Police Chief's emails and recently opened up some summons information for statistical analysis.

The question of the police applying arrest quotas to their jobs is problematic regardless of race issues. Moreso, if it's tied to officer evaluations. It puts pressure, economic, social and professional, on officers to force arrest encounters even when not necessary.

If you can imagine that the quotas are precinct wide and have the same end date for all officers then the problem is actually worse. Entire precincts will be under pressure to roll up as many arrests and summons as possible prior to the hypothetical deadline. Which could mean a sudden increase both in police presence and the aggressiveness of police interaction as the deadline approaches. Obviously exaggerated if the police choose to target what they perceive as the lowest hanging fruit.

Additionally, if a quota system is tied to officer evaluations then over time the system rewards those officers most willing to police via quota. Those officers ultimately rise in ranks and become the leadership of the departments thus enshrining the mentality into the very hierarchy of policing.

It's an interesting problem...if true.

 

[superpunch]

People like you are the problem. You see nothing wrong with the police admitting they falsified arrests to make sure they met a monthly quota. Too stuck in your own views to actually see where the other side is coming from.

You want to act like that makes up for more than 1% of the crime disparity between black and white people just because doing so would fit your preconceived conclusion that the racists are always wrong.

If it's a worldwide problem then you can't explain it without looking outside of America.

So, if you can't name just one country in the entire world (200 countries) where black people have a low crime rate, you're grasping at straws trying to explain it by citing anything that happens in America.

Can you name one example on anything where you believe the racists are correct? If you can't then you're an ideologue and are simply looking for things that confirm your ideology. You're not thinking rationally. You're thinking like a cult member.

I can think of plenty of examples where the racists are correct and plenty of examples where the egalitarians are correct. I can do this because I'm not an ideologue and have no religious attachment to either side of the issue.

 

[IDL]

They could tell they weren't a citizen by checking their ids and probably listening to them speak. Maybe it's the "student" part, you're getting hung up on.

As for non-citizens, I wouldn't be surprised if certain cops took liberties with them considering they aren't entitled to the same Constitutional protections as citizens.

Depends on the motivation. If they are trying to reach quotas it would probably make more sense to hit up citizens because they would be easier to ticket and/or process.

 

[method115]

I'm surprised by how many people in here didnt know about the quotas. The Cops are basically glorifies revenue collectors at this point. It's really not a surprise that cops don't have the respect of the communities like they used to a long time long time ago. When your job is to come into a community and find petty reasons to take other peoples money your not going to gain a lot of respect.