Social Not so free to speak: Columbia University ‘refusing to help’ identify people for arrest – White House

[oldshadow]

Common Grounds for Visa Revocation/Cancellation:

• Fraud or Misrepresentation: Providing false information or using a visa fraudulently is a major cause for revocation.
• Violation of Visa Conditions: Not adhering to the terms of your visa, such as overstaying, engaging in unauthorized employment, or failing to maintain your intended status, can lead to revocation.
• Criminal Activity: Being convicted of a crime, especially certain serious offenses, can lead to visa revocation and potential ineligibility for future entry.
• Security Concerns: If there are security or national security concerns, the US government may revoke a visa.

I think this gives them the right to kick him out if they believe he is pro hamas.

I guess he can take it to court or a review but I think they have the legal right. We will see.

 

[PhitePhan]

I don't think it matters what anyone thinks about the government's actions being valid, if they believe he has terror ties while on this visa, they can arrest, detain, deport at their discretion.

That is antithetical to due process and “innocent until proven guilty.” Obviously the technicalities of this case matter (eg. Visa holder vs citizen) but I think the apparent rejection of core American principles is what is upsetting to some.

 

[avenue94]

Yeah fuck off with your phony self righteousness.

The self righteousness that freedom of speech is critical for democracies, even when that speech is unpopular?

Sounds like you don't believe much in democracy.

Almost but not close to the same. Again his privilege to stay here can be revoked. Without conviction and with a lower standard of evidence than required in criminal court.

Again fuck off with this.

And yet here we are with you being pissy that people are asking you and the government of the bare minimum of due cause before stripping a resident of their fundamental civil rights.

Like I said, it sounds like you have a partisan relationship with democratic values.

guess he’ll get his day in court and we’ll find out.

I don’t consider him a solely innocent actor but don’t know his actions meet the standard for deportation. Which again do not require a standard for a criminal conviction.

Why not give the guy a day in court before arresting him and then transporting him to another state in a blatant example of venue shopping?

Was this guy a flight risk or a imminent threat to public safety?

 

[avenue94]

I think this gives them the right to kick him out if they believe he is pro hamas.

Which of the copy and pasted conditions did he violate in your eyes?

 

[oldshadow]

Which of the copy and pasted conditions did he violate in your eyes?

The one I bolded.

 

[White Whale]

People should be free to criticize Isreal.

 

[avenue94]

The one I bolded.

What national security risk does this student pose?

God, Maga ppl have gotten soft.

 

[oldshadow]

What national security risk does this student pose?

God, Maga ppl have gotten soft.

If he is a hama supporter then they can take his green card. At least they believe they can and the way it is written I believe they can. We will see if the courts stop this or not.

 

[avenue94]

If he is a hama supporter then they can take his green card. At least they believe they can and the way it is written I believe they can. We will see if the courts stop this or not.

What is the legal definition of a Hamas supporter and how does this student qualify? Your logic is the stuff police states dream of.

 

[oldshadow]

What is the legal definition of a Hamas supporter and how does this student qualify? Your logic is the stuff police states dream of.

You do understand he is a guest in this country not a US citizen. That makes it up to the state department if he goes or stays and they have a lot of control over that. He doesn't have to be arrested or even charged to get his visa removed. It's very different then a US citizen.

 

[Crazy Source]

You do understand he is a guest in this country not a US citizen. That makes it up to the state department if he goes or stays and they have a lot of control over that. He doesn't have to be arrested or even charged to get his visa removed. It's very different then a US citizen

Isn't he still afforded Constitutional protections?

 

[avenue94]

You do understand he is a guest in this country not a US citizen. That makes it up to the state department if he goes or stays and they have a lot of control over that. He doesn't have to be arrested or even charged to get his visa removed. It's very different then a US citizen.

And you're ducking the question. What is the legal definition of a Hamas supporter in the eyes of the government? Whether or not it rises to a crime or not is irrelevant, there still has to be some legal standard. OTherwise, you're proposing that hte government be able to call anyone a terror supporter with no evidence.

Isn't he still afforded Constitutional protections?

The amount of conservatives who claim to love the document they've never read, otherwise they would notice that most of the rights speak to people, not citizens.

 

[oldshadow]

And you're ducking the question. What is the legal definition of a Hamas supporter in the eyes of the government? Whether or not it rises to a crime or not is irrelevant, there still has to be some legal standard. OTherwise, you're proposing that hte government be able to call anyone a terror supporter with no evidence.

The amount of conservatives who claim to love the document they've never read, otherwise they would notice that most of the rights speak to people, not citizens.

We will see what the government has. If he has anything to do with the group targeting Jewish students also they have grounds. And no he doesn't have all the rights of a citizen. It's being challenged in court let's see what happens.

 

[Crazy Source]

The amount of conservatives who claim to love the document they've never read, otherwise they would notice that most of the rights speak to people, not citizens.

They are cafeteria Christians, and now they are cafeteria Constitutionalists.

We have people on the right here that are cool with trashing the Constitution because their guy is in charge. If their punishment does not come in this life, it will come in the next.

 

[avenue94]

We will see what the government has. If he has anything to do with the group targeting Jewish students also they have grounds. And no he doesn't have all the rights of a citizen. It's being challenged in court let's see what happens.

What happened to arresting folks for probable cause? Come on, this is embracing bootlicking for wannabe dictators.

Can you even explain why it would be necessary to detain this guy before having a case to deport?

 

[oldshadow]

What happened to arresting folks for probable cause? Come on, this is embracing bootlicking for wannabe dictators.

Can you even explain why it would be necessary to detain this guy before having a case to deport?

To keep him from being hidden by his supporters.

Here read this for your education.

Can the Trump administration legally deport Palestinian rights advocate Mahmoud Khalil? 3 things to know about green card holders’ rights

Lawful permanent residents hold many of the same rights that US citizens have, but the government can deport them on certain, often vague, security grounds.

theconversation.com

 

[avenue94]

To keep him from being hidden by his supporters.

Here read this for your education.

Can the Trump administration legally deport Palestinian rights advocate Mahmoud Khalil? 3 things to know about green card holders’ rights

Lawful permanent residents hold many of the same rights that US citizens have, but the government can deport them on certain, often vague, security grounds.

theconversation.com

You're basing this theory on what? All that matters is he makes his court date. What reason is there to think a student witu mo teford and a baby due in a month was a flight risk?

 

[oldshadow]

You're basing this theory on what? All that matters is he makes his court date. What reason is there to think a student witu mo teford and a baby due in a month was a flight risk?

Because of the reaction to him being held they know what was going to happen. If a judge says he gets bail then he gets it so far that hasn't happened.

 

[avenue94]

Because of the reaction to him being held they know what was going to happen. If a judge says he gets bail then he gets it so far that hasn't happened.

What would have happened if they announced the investigation and charged without detaining him?

And why move his detention to Louisiana btw?

 

[oldshadow]

What would have happened if they announced the investigation and charged without detaining him?

And why move his detention to Louisiana btw?

His supporters would have hid him. Not sure but a guess is its secure and away from the mobs that might would have tried to free him causing problems and an escalation of the situation.