Social Not so free to speak: Columbia University ‘refusing to help’ identify people for arrest – White House

[kflo]

A green card holder can be deported for cause, primarily committing the same crimes that would also abrogate free speech for citizens. You're just attempting to handwave away a blatant attempt to railroad a a "bad brown person."

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Notice how the 1A doesn't once mention citizen and in fact explicitly restrains the government from curtailing the rights of the people, and not citizens?

You're intellectually bankrupt, as evidenced by your refusal to answer anyone's question as to what condition of residency did this student violate.

i haven't once commented on what he specifically did or if the government's actions are valid. you're just being a jackass. lol at "bad brown person".

again, i posted the criteria for deportation. everything i've said is factual. you're trying to argue against facts.

again, the standard for deportation is LOWER than the standard for a criminal conviction. they don't have the same rights.

 

[avenue94]

i haven't once commented on what he specifically did or if the government's actions are valid. you're just being a jackass. lol at "bad brown person".

The normal response to someone being detained without cause by a government frequently hostile to its perceived enemies and civil rights in general should be, "why is that person being detained."

If that's not a person's response, I question their commitment to fundamental democratic values in America.

Not to mention I believe you admittedly voted for Trump, which is an odd wrinkle here.

again, the standard for deportation is LOWER than the standard for a criminal conviction. they don't have the same rights.

They have almost the same rights. You keep going on and on about how there is valid cause to depot this person and yet you can't provide a single indication of what cause the government has. It's grotesque.

 

[Islam Imamate]

i haven't once commented on what he specifically did or if the government's actions are valid.

Do you think the government’s actions are valid?

 

[Hog-train]

And green card holders aren't citizens, meaning they're guests in the country. If they're threatening law abiding citizens with political violence (terrorism) then if we can't deport them for that I'm curious under what conditions you'd support deportations.

Oh who am I kidding... you leftists don't support illegal aliens being deported for drug smuggling, human smuggling, rape, or murder. Of course you want this kind of fifth to stay in the country forever.

Yea but a CRIMINAL court must charge and convict the green card holder of threatening law abiding citizens. Only then can an immigration court enact proceedings to deport them.

That is not what happened here. No criminal court charged him. ICE just was given orders to arrest the guy because they didn't like his speech against Israel.

It is not up to an immigration judge to determine if he did anything criminally unlawful.

What is happening is the dictionary definition of lawfare. You were 100% against the lawfare used against Trump, then you should be against this.

 

[Cool Hand Luke]

I don't think it matters what anyone thinks about the government's actions being valid, if they believe he has terror ties while on this visa, they can arrest, detain, deport at their discretion.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

What is happening is the dictionary definition of lawfare. You were 100% against the lawfare used against Trump, then you should be against this.

The lawfare used against Trump was exactly that - political lawfare.

This is completely different because green card holders aren't citizens. They don't have the right to stay in the country, it is a privledge.

Posted this screenshot a few pages back -


He had a leadership position in a Political Group as a 'Lead Negotiator' that has supported Terrorist Organization That Has Murdered Americans (Hamas) and called for the downfall of western civilization.

Yeah, so fuck him.
He can do this kind of shit in his home country of Syria, and not here.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Research grants, fafsa, etc. Almost every private university in the country gets federal dollars.

- This. And for some reason unknow to me. Why we barelly hear about your federal universities?

 

[Hog-train]

The lawfare used against Trump was exactly that - political lawfare.

This is completely different because green card holders aren't citizens. They don't have the right to stay in the country, it is a privledge.

Posted this screenshot a few pages back -

1. In regards to free speech, the 1st Amendment does not distinguish between citizens and non-citizens. Everyone has the right to free speech.

2. In immigration court, the burden of proof is on the government; it must show the person violated immigration laws.

3. The accusations you're claiming - espionage and terrorism have to be convicted in CRIMINAL COURT. He hasn't even been charged. If he is convicted in criminal court, only then can he be deported by an immigration court.

So all of this arrest is 100% lawfare and trying to intimidate people of being critical of Israel.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

1. In regards to free speech, the 1st Amendment does not distinguish between citizens and non-citizens. Everyone has the right to free speech.

This isn't about free speech.
No one is saying he should be tried, convicted, and imprisoned.
He can do exactly what he's doing here, in Syria.

2. In immigration court, the burden of proof is on the government; it must show the person violated immigration laws.

Good thing the administration doesn't have to go through immigration court to deport someone.

3. The accusations you're claiming - espionage and terrorism have to be convicted in CRIMINAL COURT.

When did I accuse him of espionage and terrorism?
I said he's has a leadership of a political organization that supports terrorism and espionage, of both Israel and 'western civilization' (usually referring to America).

So all of this arrest is 100% lawfare and trying to intimidate people of being critical of Israel.

Who has this entire situation intimidated?
From what I've seen many citizens are very vocal in their support of him.

 

[Hog-train]

This isn't about free speech.
No one is saying he should be tried, convicted, and imprisoned.
He can do exactly what he's doing here, in Syria.

Yes it is. He has not been convicted nor even charged with anything criminal. There is zero proof he did anything other than speak out against Israel's actions in Gaza. That is protected under free speech.

Good thing the administration doesn't have to go through immigration court to deport someone.

The hell are you talking about. Lawful permanent residents can only be deported through an immigration judge.

When did I accuse him of espionage and terrorism?
I said he's has a leadership of a political organization that supports terrorism and espionage, of both Israel and 'western civilization' (usually referring to America).

Taking part in protests and then trying to get the universities to divest university investments in Israel is not "supporting terrorism and espionage." What a laughable reach.

Who has this entire situation intimidated?
From what I've seen many citizens are very vocal in their support of him.

They're clearly trying to set him up as an example not to criticize Israel. It's pretty fucking obvious.

If you can't be intellectually honest enough to admit that, then I can't really take anything you say seriously.

I've always been critical of all the lawfare against Trump and called a spade a spade even if I don't like him.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Research grants, fafsa, etc. Almost every private university in the country gets federal dollars.

I understand fanfare, but that wouldn't be directly cutting from the school.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Yes it is. He has not been convicted nor even charged with anything criminal. There is zero proof he did anything other than speak out against Israel's actions in Gaza. That is protected under free speech.

There's millions of people speaking out about Israel's actions in Gaza and as far as I know this guy is the only green card holder who is being deported. Is he the first of hundreds of green card holders to be deported? I doubt it.

So chances are his support of Hamas, a terrorist organization that has killed Americans, and support for the downfall of the west, are much larger factors

Taking part in protests and then trying to get the universities to divest university investments in Israel is not "supporting terrorism and espionage." What a laughable reach.

Again, I never said he did terrorism and espionage.
But if he did attempt to manipulate his own college into divesting from Israel....as the 'Lead Negotiator' of a Pro-Hamas political group... that sounds like similar goals.

They're clearly trying to set him up as an example not to criticize Israel. It's pretty fucking obvious.

Is it though?
Or is it a convenient narrative that 'Trump's administration is controlled by Jews' which is an evolution from the 'Trump's administration is controlled by Russians' but they'll switch back as soon as any news about Ukraine hits the headlines.

If you can't be intellectually honest enough to admit that, then I can't really take anything you say seriously.

This doesn't have as much to do with Israel as it does with students being in fear of being physically assaulted because of Jewish ethnicity, and these Universities being breeding grounds for extremist zealots.



You want to buy the 'It's all about Israel & Zionists' narrative, go right ahead. But from what I've seen those who make that connection somehow make every story into a connection with the Jews.

 

[Hog-train]

There's millions of people speaking out about Israel's actions in Gaza and as far as I know this guy is the only green card holder who is being deported. Is he the first of hundreds of green card holders to be deported? I doubt it.

So chances are his support of Hamas, a terrorist organization that has killed Americans, and support for the downfall of the west, are much larger factors

But he hasn't been deported. They're just trying to do it, but I doubt they'll be successful. They simply do not have the legal grounds nor proof to do so.

Again, I never said he did terrorism and espionage.
But if he did attempt to manipulate his own college into divesting from Israel....as the 'Lead Negotiator' of a Pro-Hamas political group... that sounds like similar goals.

Protesting to get change from a university does not equal "supporting terrorism." Again that is a laughable reach.

Is it though?
Or is it a convenient narrative that 'Trump's administration is controlled by Jews' which is an evolution from the 'Trump's administration is controlled by Russians' but they'll switch back as soon as any news about Ukraine hits the headlines.

Trump's administration has always sucked Israel's dick and will continue to do so.

This doesn't have as much to do with Israel as it does with students being in fear of being physically assaulted because of Jewish ethnicity, and these Universities being breeding grounds for extremist zealots.



You want to buy the 'It's all about Israel & Zionists' narrative, go right ahead. But from what I've seen those who make that connection somehow make every story into a connection with the Jews.

How TF does this video prove anything about Kahlil's guilt?

There's video's of pro-Israeli people attacking protesters too.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

But he hasn't been deported. They're just trying to do it, but I doubt they'll be successful. They simply do not have the legal grounds nor proof to do so.

You said that before.
I disputed it, with references.
And you're saying what you said before, again.

Trump's administration has always sucked Israel's dick and will continue to do so.

Okay then.
Nice chatting with ya, Hog.

 

[avenue94]

I don't think it matters what anyone thinks about the government's actions being valid, if they believe he has terror ties while on this visa, they can arrest, detain, deport at their discretion.

They still have to provide proof, even if it's ridiculkous. And some of the examples that have been accepted historically for aiding terror groups is ridiculous, for example giving water to a member.

That the administration still can't elucidate something so easy to meet that bar is telling.

 

[ocfightfan]

You mean terrorist supporters?

 

[avenue94]

You mean terrorist supporters?

What did this student do to support terrorists?

 

[Hog-train]

You said that before.
I disputed it, with references.
And you're saying what you said before, again.


Okay then.
Nice chatting with ya, Hog.

No one is allowed to criticize Israel or you go to jail!!

Fucking ridiculous people are supporting this shit in America. I'm honestly shocked how easily some people are completely ok with abandoning free speech principles in this country as long as it is against someone they don't like or agree with.