North Carolina, a voting rights hellhole.

[Greoric]

You can cause collateral damage with a gun...

Not necessarily. You are, however, going to necessarily cause collateral damage with a nuclear weapon.

 

[Greoric]

Might is my greatest right

Then you're making my point.

 

[woodguyatl]

As a colorblind person who lives in Maryland, this map confuses the hell out of me.

Better?

 

[Gunny]

Thankfully my state's doesn't look too bad. Outside if chicago, they all make sense to me. And even with my small amount of familiarity the chicago ones seem solid.

Now really?

 

[Greoric]

No, your self defense, this very second, is entirely dependant on the governmennt not declaring your right invalid and taking your gun away. You may have a fantasy about of that happened, but cops can and have broke down peoples door and shot them for less.

Your guns are allowed because due process says that they cant just declare your rights invalid.

You're still not appreciating the ultimacy of the argument. If they take away due process before they take away the 2A protected right, a citizenry can do something about it. If they take away the 2A before they take away due process.... they can do nothing.

Thus, your right to choose your means of self defense is more fundamental. Your rights ultimately are only respected* as far as you can defend them... physically.

 

[44nutman]

But black people don't have any IDs on them so voter ID laws are WACIST!!

 

[woodguyatl]

@Falsedawn

Update to my last post. That was up to 2013. This is it since 2013 to now. A step to clean it up it looks like but will a long way to go.

This was chicago up to 1983

That was done to make a majority Hispanic district. Guitierrez has been their Congressman since the early 1990's.

 

[nac386]

Better?

Lol, holy shit, that's not what I was seeing at all.

 

[Mondo Freaks]

Like this, but worse:

this is why Gerrymandering is so hard to get a way with.

When your districts look like the one on the right, people will know you're up to something.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Apparently for a government of, by, and for the people, voting them in isn't really all that important.

Remember youre talking to Greoric.

He thinks democracy's are'tyranny' and monarchies are 'freedom'.

 

[panamaican]

What is wrong with their voter ID proposal? Why shouldn't one be required to show id?

You should read the judicial opinion from the lawsuit that they lost. It will explain it far better and at your convenience.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I support systematically destroying the right to vote and I am completely sane.

Why? I understand skepticism of a system that's too democratic in the sense that it might empower mob rule but I don't think that skepticism need lead to the conclusion that any sort of voting is bad.

Note how they're conflating the right to self defense and the right to own firearms.

If I have a right to self defense but can have my access to the most practical and effective weapons system barred its not really much of a right. Its like having the right to vote but not for the President or the right to free speech but not the right to publish freely.

At that point you're basically just free to punch back in a fist fight if they threw the first punch.

Greoric's position is transparently stupid. If you don't have say in your own governance, by definition you're not free. Guns are just a tool.

I don't necessarily agree with this. Hypothetically if there was a benevolent dictator who secured various kinds of rights for his people, like the right to free speech, religion, assembly, firearms, due process etc, but did not allow his people to choose their leader would his citizens not be free?

Practically speaking this is not likely but if such a system existed where the leaders were not chosen democratically but existed within a framework where various important rights were respected I wouldn't say it was a unfree system.

 

[Limbo Pete]

You'll have to excuse Jack's aspergers.

 

[HomerThompson]

I support systematically destroying the right to vote and I am completely sane.

Also lol at "the will of the people", as if the mob has ever led to anything good.

<puh-lease75>

 

[7437]

Why? I understand skepticism of a system that's too democratic in the sense that it might empower mob rule but I don't think that skepticism need lead to the conclusion that any sort of voting is bad.

If I have a right to self defense but can have my access to the most practical and effective weapons system barred its not really much of a right. Its like having the right to vote but not for the President or the right to free speech but not the right to publish freely.

At that point you're basically just free to punch back in a fist fight if they threw the first punch.

I don't necessarily agree with this. Hypothetically if there was a benevolent dictator who secured various kinds of rights for his people, like the right to free speech, religion, assembly, firearms, due process etc, but did not allow his people to choose their leader would his citizens not be free?

Practically speaking this is not likely but if such a system existed where the leaders were not chosen democratically but existed within a framework where various important rights were respected I wouldn't say it was a unfree system.

Can he be a wizard too?

 

[HomerThompson]

Because that's not specific to your self defense.

As an AA, you of all people should appreciate the argument here. Afterall do you think your ancestor's would have been kept under the boot of state sponsored slavery for as long as they did if the 2A applied to them?

 

[HomerThompson]

Maybe "thing" should stand in for "right" in this case.

"The most important thing to me, when I ponder black people's right to vote in North Carolina, is my gun collection."

 

[Islam Imamate]

Can he be a wizard too?

What are you talking about? Are you off your meds or something?

 

[HomerThompson]

Looks like a kid just scribbled all over with a crayon

And not even a smart kid.

 

[Grok]

I support systematically destroying the right to vote and I am completely sane.

Also lol at "the will of the people", as if the mob has ever led to anything good.

Sounds like you should do the rest of us a favor and stop voting then. Sounds like you can't handle the responsibility.