North Carolina, a voting rights hellhole.

[Greoric]

I say it in a mocking e-tone because i think its a dumb answer, and very perdictable.

I would argue due process is more important, as otherwise you can be stripped of your right to firearms.

Due process, like anything else the gov't chooses to respect is still subservient to your ability to choose your means of defense. The ability to be violent is the fundamental stop gap of any society that wants to remain relatively free.

 

[Greoric]

You're smart enough to take Mark Twain's advice I see. Good for you.

 

[Grok]

He'd be here to explain why its actually a good idea for blacks and Latinos to be excluded from districts

 

[Limbo Pete]

Typical reactionary

 

[Limbo Pete]

Hmmm that was a weird merge

 

[Fawlty]

Da gunz

Good call lol. Guns are more important than the right to vote! grrr! I feel empowered when I says this!

 

[curryjunkie]

Da gunz

somalia and afghanistan ....the freeest places on the planet

 

[Limbo Pete]

Good call lol. Guns are more important than the right to vote! grrr! I feel empowered when I says this!

Brb, bringing my gun to the ballot box and literally shooting out my selections from the card.
No more dangling chads here. Thanks, Second Amendment!

 

[Greoric]

Good call lol. Guns are more important than the right to vote! grrr! I feel empowered when I says this!

It doesn't make sense why that's in any form a controversial point, but it does make sense in the context of people like you, who are excessively r-selected mentally.

 

[Falsedawn]

Good call lol. Guns are more important than the right to vote! grrr! I feel empowered when I says this!

Note how they're conflating the right to self defense and the right to own firearms.

 

[Denter]

What's the most important right in a free society then?

Your physical security.

 

[Greoric]

Brb, bringing my gun to the ballot box and literally shooting out my selections from the card.
No more dangling chads here. Thanks, Second Amendment!

You were doing better with your deferral to Twain's advice earlier.

 

[Falsedawn]

I'm surprised you noted this one. I don't know that AA's would really like to hear the answer to some of those legitimate examples.

 

[Greoric]

Note how they're conflating the right to self defense and the right to own firearms.

I didn't say right to self defense. I wrote your right to choose your means of self defense. There's a significant distinction mate.

 

[SaiWa]

What is wrong with their voter ID proposal? Why shouldn't one be required to show id?

There's nothing wrong with it if you provide free and easy access to acquire one. Not everyone in the poor neighborhoods have a car or access to transportation. And paying for one would deter them from doing it since the only thing useful for them would be to vote (although it's another I'd to buy cigs and alcohol too).

There was an article on how they implemented this ID requirement and then decreased the number of offices that issued out these IDs in poor area (think it was in NC too). Inaccessibility and long lines will deter people from doing it.

Georgia is providing free IDs I believe.

I am all for voter ID as long as everybody can get them. If not a drivers license then a cheaper alternative ID (ninja edit: needs to be free). If states are implementing it and doing shady shit to tip it one way or prevent a group of people from getting them then no I am against it. I think most people would agree that as a nation we should provide a means for all our eligible citizens to vote.

 

[Falsedawn]

I didn't say right to self defense. I wrote your right to choose your means of self defense. There's a significant distinction mate.

Why can't I defend myself with nukes?

LITERALLY AUTHORITARIAN!

 

[Limbo Pete]

Note how they're conflating the right to self defense and the right to own firearms.

This whole thing started when I said the right to vote was the most important part of a free society. As in, you can't really have a free society without the right to vote lol. But i'm sure we can look around the globe and find a bunch of places with no voting rights that qualify as free.
Our reactionary friend of course chomped at the bit.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Your physical security.

That can't really be a "right," though. But the whole idea of rights presumes a liberal framework, which I thought you rejected. Do you just mean that ensuring physical security is the most-important function of gov't?

 

[Greoric]

Why can't I defend myself with nukes?

LITERALLY AUTHORITARIAN!

Because that's not specific to your self defense.

As an AA, you of all people should appreciate the argument here. Afterall do you think your ancestor's would have been kept under the boot of state sponsored slavery for as long as they did if the 2A applied to them?

 

[Falsedawn]

This whole thing started when I said the right to vote was the most important part of a free society. As in, you can't really have a free society without the right to vote lol. But i'm sure we can look around the globe and find a bunch of places with no voting rights that qualify as free.
Our reactionary friend of course chomped at the bit.

Apparently for a government of, by, and for the people, voting them in isn't really all that important.