noob question : have you learnt anything watching or training boxing that helped

[shu80]

Boxing is the fundamental and most effective striking art - but is limited by a rule that you train you legs to be agile not aggresive and also a stance that can make you open to knee strike and leg kick in a open combat like MMA. Muay Thai and Kickboxing seems to have too many clinches and kicks and the body shots seem to be a lighter version of boxing.

So, once you have trained your legs and standing to avoid and inflict kicks , have you watched or trained boxing for learning better ways to punch ? I also have seen in Quora some answers saying training in boxing is preferably
receieved before staring Muay Thai , because Muay Thai conditioning can result in a fighter becomie very stiff learning boxing and eventually lose their edge in one or the other, but if something shows there I always get it verified by people who know things and can answer question

My question is, does learning boxing combos and technical nuances to improve the impact in your punches ever occured or recommened to you ? In fact the way Muay Thai fighters guard they seem to be very open to a punch in chest. But they know it better than I know. So, I am curious about.

ABOUT ME: I am a nerd looking to learn Muay Thai, but only combat sport I watched was boxing , and given my age and weight I think having strong punches can assist me end any real situation sooner, and also the nimble way boxers seems to move without getting exhausted is certainly worth learning while conditioning my legs. But I am neither young nor very energitic so I need to be resourceful, so I am asking here in many threads Please ignore if it is a foolish question.

 

[shu80]

One user liked it and other users ignored it , so I guess it was mostly a foolish thing to ask.

 

[Rallarsvingare]

I started with muay thai and did it a couple of years before I tried regular boxing. I thought I already had good strikes but the boxing training took my hands to a whole other level. Much stronger strikes, more power, speed and useful techniques, things I would probably never learn doing just muay thai.

I think everyone who wants to train any striking art on a serious level should learn some boxing.

 

[Monte Moku]

Boxing was introduced to the Muay Thai curriculum (generally speaking) around the early 1900s if I remember correctly. Thailand has raised numerous Boxing world champions, and very often they started as children competing in Muay Thai. During the silver and golden ages of the sport (80s & 90s), a lot more Muay Thai fighters had direct access to Boxers in their gyms and often cross trained with them. Muay Thai, while still immensely popular in Thailand, isn't at the same level as the golden age -- the fighters have less access to training with Boxers, many of the fighters and coaches from the golden age have either died or left the sport completely, and the organization of the sport pipelining regional fighters to the Bangkok scene is much less structured and far reaching as it used to be.

Depending on the country, Muay Thai fighters will usually have different levels of Boxing in their game (again, generally speaking). Japanese fighters tend to have solid Boxing, Russians as well, and overall the Eastern European/Central Asian fighters are really good with their hands relative to many Thais and other countries. Thais still have that massive experience gap and can rely on that to win.

It's not that it was a foolish question, it's just a very broad one and I'm not sure if there's a great way to answer it. Everyone's experience will be different based on where they're from and what gym/coaches they have.

 

[shu80]

It's not that it was a foolish question, it's just a very broad one

Thanks for the clarification - sadly geeking out on forum implies knowing vague concepts only hopefully I can eventually add narrowed topics and help each other someday

Much stronger strikes, more power, speed and useful techniques, things I would probably never learn doing just muay thai.

Wow, that answered my question

 

[shu80]

I started with muay thai and did it a couple of years before I tried regular boxing. I thought I already had good strikes but the boxing training took my hands to a whole other level. Much stronger strikes, more power, speed and useful techniques, things I would probably never learn doing just muay thai.

I think everyone who wants to train any striking art on a serious level should learn some boxing.

I will ask you for some tip -
- how to prepare your chin for strikes ?
- how to prepare for receiving liver kicks ?
- how to harden your legs that leg kicks can be dealt ?

@Monte Moku please feel free also

 

[Monte Moku]

I will ask you for some tip -
- how to prepare your chin for strikes ?
- how to prepare for receiving liver kicks ?
- how to harden your legs that leg kicks can be dealt ?

@Monte Moku please feel free also

If you have a Muay Thai gym in your area, the coaches there can answer all of those questions and much more. Honestly if you just did a single class, those would be answered. Regardless, these sorts of questions are best suited for the Standup Technique forum. You prepare your chin through neck workouts, your core through getting hit to the body a lot, and your legs by getting kicked in the leg a lot. Helps a little if you also strengthen those areas with weight training and calisthenics, but that's also beneficial for health in general, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[shu80]

Helps a little if you also strengthen those areas with weight training

chin and legs ?

can you please add ?

I am wary of adding a new thread so fast

@Monte Moku

 

[Monte Moku]

Helps a little if you also strengthen those areas with weight training

chin and legs ?

can you please add ?

I am wary of adding a new thread so fast

@Monte Moku

I'm not a mod, so I can't move the thread unfortunately. If you make a post over there though, you will be well received. The folks there are helpful as long as you have a good attitude about learning

 

[shu80]

No , I mean can you specify some good workouts ?

 

[Monte Moku]

No , I mean can you specify some good workouts ?

You can literally wrap a light weight in a towel, bite it, and then raise your neck up and down. Build your traps. The abs and legs stuff is just a combination of basic calisthenics (situps, planks, burpees, squats, etc) combined with getting kicked/punched a lot. Start soft and build up the intensity slowly over time. It'll feel natural. The conditioning comes from consistency

Edit: I would recommend starting with these exercises before using weights on your neck though. Better safe than sorry

 

[shu80]

thanks a lot and please help me if I ask more questions
seems stupid I never searched for it but what you said itself seemed beyond my grasp

the reason neck and chin came to even my radar was I have been seeing in this forum about iron chins of some fighters,
and I wondered if it was a innate quality of fighters

 

[Monte Moku]

thanks a lot and please help me if I ask more questions
seems stupid I never searched for it but what you said itself seemed beyond my grasp

the reason neck and chin came to even my radar was I have been seeing in this forum about iron chins of some fighters,
and I wondered if it was a innate quality of fighters

Having a good chin is a combination of your muscle strength in that area, properly tucking your chin, and genetics. You can't change your genes, but you can at least make sure your neck and shoulders are strong and that you have good defensive habits.