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Non-MMA Sports Betting Discussion - February, 2017

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You say common sense like its completely unreasonable to assume the guy is smart with his money. According to you, we should just assume all he does is fighting and there is no way he has any other money. Like I said, hes been in the UFC for a looooong time. I'd be surprised if he DIDNT have investments of some sort
I honestly think it's highly unlikely that Berger has half a mill to bet on a football game. He would have to have had amazing investments to have that much to blow.

Anyway though what's good for the NBA tonight lots of good games
 
No, common sense as in you're making many assumptions without ANY evidence to support your claim. Does Jake even bet? Has he ever posted any evidence that supports that he gambles? I don't need evidence to say, "hey i dont think a guy, whose net worth is probably under 3M, would go and make a bet worth 15% of his net worth (and that's a very generous estimation)". I think it's far more likely that 1. he either found a ticket someone threw away in disgust or 2. he knows someone who made the bet and took a picture of it. In addition, if someone actually did lose that kind of money and isn't a Floyd Mayweather type, who couldn't care less about losing it, do you think they would go and post a picture of it?
Well thats a funny thing to say when youre the one with no evidence of him picking up a bet slip thats not his

There are a fuckton of UFC fighters who invest in things. How many at Jake's level and/or with his UFC tenure have their own gym? Basically all of them. Do you really think some of them don't have investments in things like realty or businesses? Koscheck pops to mind as someone who has apparently made many wise investments to supplement his income

Not saying its not a possibility he just picked it up, but its a bit ridiculous you're so quick to so assuredly write off this being his own money.
 
I doubt Ellenberger had anything to do with that actual bet, and if he did, at most it was a syndicate where he had say a 10% share.

Is it a bad sign of gambling addiction that I think I would enjoy experiencing Superbowl Sunday at the Las Vegas Superbook more than actually attending the game itself? Albeit partially this is being from the UK and needing the TV commentators to explain what is happening to me.
 
Well you know what guys even if Jake had that much money he doesn't anymore lol
 
Well thats a funny thing to say when youre the one with no evidence of him picking up a bet slip thats not his

There are a fuckton of UFC fighters who invest in things. How many at Jake's level and/or with his UFC tenure have their own gym? Basically all of them. Do you really think some of them don't have investments in things like realty or businesses? Koscheck pops to mind as someone who has apparently made many wise investments to supplement his income

Not saying its not a possibility he just picked it up, but its a bit ridiculous you're so quick to so assuredly write off this being his own money.
I'm making the most logical and sensibly assumption: He's not worth that kind of money so he wont be gambling w that kind of money

You're assuming he's made some amazing investments, turned those investments into actual cash to bet with, then he went and bet $460,000 money on a football game when he's probably on the brink of retirement/getting cut from the UFC (which isn't even logically consistent- if he's smart enough to make great investments, he's smart enough to know not to gamble w that kind of money, don't you think?).

FYI Kosheck was estimated to have a net worth of 2 M in 2016. Still not even close enough to have $460,000 to throw away on a bet
 
I'm making the most logical and sensibly assumption: He's not worth that kind of money so he wont be gambling w that kind of money

You're assuming he's made some amazing investments, turned those investments into actual cash to bet with, then he went and bet $460,000 money on a football game when he's probably on the brink of retirement/getting cut from the UFC (which isn't even logically consistent- if he's smart enough to make great investments, he's smart enough to know not to gamble w that kind of money, don't you think?).

FYI Kosheck was estimated to have a net worth of 2 M in 2016. Still not even close enough to have $460,000 to throw away on a bet
You have no idea what hes worth. You just know the income hes received from the UFC. If you're going to assume he found a ticket and picked it up, why cant I assume hes a trust fund baby. There are plenty of variables, but you seem very stuck on the conclusion you've come to.

I can assume plenty of things. Investments, trust fund baby, like bruthead said maybe its a ticket made by a group of people. Who knows. Just not sure why you have convinced yourself so deeply that the 'picked up a ticket' scenario is soo likely lol
 
You have no idea what hes worth. You just know the income hes received from the UFC. If you're going to assume he found a ticket and picked it up, why cant I assume hes a trust fund baby. There are plenty of variables, but you seem very stuck on the conclusion you've come to.

I can assume plenty of things. Investments, trust fund baby, like bruthead said maybe its a ticket made by a group of people. Who knows. Just not sure why you have convinced yourself so deeply that the 'picked up a ticket' scenario is soo likely lol
I'm not... I actually think its more likely he knows someone who made the bet and he took a picture of it. But at least you admit your assumptions are much more far fetched than mine lol
 
I'm not... I actually think its more likely he knows someone who made the bet and he took a picture of it. But at least you admit your assumptions are much more far fetched than mine lol
I never admitted that? I think its kind of silly you refuse to acknowledge everything i'm saying as a possibility, actually. Thats all i'm really acknowledging
 
I never admitted that? I think its kind of silly you refuse to acknowledge everything i'm saying as a possibility, actually. Thats all i'm really acknowledging
Occam's razor. The explanation with the least assumptions trumps. For instance, if you left your pen on your desk, went to pee, and came back to see it on the floor, what's more likely?

1. The pen rolled off the table and fell to the floor

or

2. An eagle flew into your room, scratched it's head using your pen, then gently placed it on the floor and flew out the window
 
Occam's razor. The explanation with the least assumptions trumps. For instance, if you left your pen on your desk, went to pee, and came back to see it on the floor, what's more likely?

1. The pen rolled off the table and fell to the floor

or

2. An eagle flew into your room, scratched it's head using your pen, then gently placed it on the floor and flew out the window
Thats a little easier to assume than Ellenberger picking up a ticket off the ground as common sense, but ok
 
Thats a little easier to assume than Ellenberger picking up a ticket off the ground as common sense, but ok
It's easier to assume that he invested his disposable income into great investments then went and bet a VERY large sum on a football game, without any evidence of said investments or proof that he even gambles to begin with, rather than he found a losing ticket on the floor or that the ticket wasn't his? okay...

JB if I post this picture on my instagram account, does it mean that, more likely than not, I personally made this bet?
 

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It's easier to assume that he invested his disposable income into great investments then went and bet a VERY large sum on a football game, without any evidence of said investments or proof that he even gambles to begin with, rather than he found a losing ticket on the floor or that the ticket wasn't his? okay...

JB if I post this picture on my instagram account, does it mean that, more likely than not, I personally made this bet?
Why do you keep talking about proof when you have literally none to back what you are saying? Its like its impossible for you to see past what hes made in the UFC and all doors to further revenue are completely dismissed lol

If your mind is so closed you can't see anyway he could turn the money hes made over his UFC tenure into much more, idk what to tell you
 
Why do you keep talking about proof when you have literally none to back what you are saying? Its like its impossible for you to see past what hes made in the UFC lol

If your mind is so closed you can't see anyway he could turn the money hes made over his UFC tenure into much more, idk what to tell you
The whole point of this conversation is that you're making grand assumptions. You even brought up the idea of him being a trust fund child. Why don't you go ahead and assume he won the lottery while you're at it?
 
The whole point of this conversation is that you're making grand assumptions. You even brought up the idea of him being a trust fund child. Why don't you go ahead and assume he won the lottery while you're at it?
The assumptions i'm making are pretty damn reasonable. These guys don't have pensions, 401k, healthcare. You hear every media member known to man say these guys have to make their money work for them and not rely solely on UFC income or go on Cowboy Cerrone spending sprees. Not to mention, the 2.5m Jake has made in the UFC is only whats disclosed.

I could make the argument its a 'grand assumption' you are giving no mind to him having any source of income besides UFC disclosed purses.

Dude, you are talking about a guy picking a ticket off the ground and posting it like its his yet you are getting on me for my assumptions lolll oh ffs
 
Jake Ellenberger did not bet half a mili on the super bowl. He may have enough money to bet that much (even that is a little far-fetched), but I think it is very safe to assume he does not have enough money to lose that much and instantly joke about it on social media.

You have to have crazy amounts of money for a $460k loss to not rattle you a bit..
 
The assumptions i'm making are pretty damn reasonable. These guys don't have pensions, 401k, healthcare. You hear every media member known to man say these guys have to make their money work for them and not rely solely on UFC income or go on Cowboy Cerrone spending sprees. Not to mention, the 2.5m Jake has made in the UFC is only whats disclosed.

I could make the argument its a 'grand assumption' you are giving no mind to him having any source of income besides UFC disclosed purses.

Dude, you are talking about a guy picking a ticket off the ground and posting it like its his yet you are getting on me for my assumptions lolll oh ffs
The assumption that he invests his money for the future bc of what you just said, but then he goes and places a giant bet is illogical and incosistent. If you don't see how or why that is, then IDK what to tell you. I really can't spoon feed it any more than I already have. Unless he is worth upwards of 10 M, gambling $460,000 is a huge chunk of money. And don't try and ignore the scenario that he posted the picture of someone else's ticket. I literally just posted a picture of a ticket that I found on the casino floor like 2 posts above. And that was a winning ticket (worth $50 dollars more than the one he posted). I've found other tickets upwards of $10,000 being discarded after a loss, also, so it's not unlikely to happen.
 
The assumption that he invests his money for the future bc of what you just said, but then he goes and places a giant bet is illogical and incosistent. If you don't see how or why that is, then IDK what to tell you. I really can't spoon feed it any more than I already have. Unless he is worth upwards of 10 M, gambling $460,000 is a huge chunk of money. And don't try and ignore the scenario that he posted the picture of someone else's ticket. I literally just posted a picture of a ticket that I found on the casino floor like 2 posts above. And that was a winning ticket (worth $50 dollars more than the one he posted). I've found other tickets upwards of $10,000 being discarded after a loss, also, so it's not unlikely to happen.
Its illogical and inconsistent to you, someone who literally knows nothing about his finances. Whos to say he doesn't make bank from betting? But apparently thats a crazy assumption, and yours aren't. Idk man, too much bullshit about this. If you really are so sure of yourself that what youre saying is true and everything else can't be possible, than thats that. Ive talked about Ellenberger's finances enough for a day lol
 
I think I'm feeling the Spurs. I always underestimate the Grizz, and they have been playing well, but they have been playing a lot. I think the spurs take it.

Maybe Nuggets, idk

I'm staying away from the heat and jazz games unless one of you has a lean.

Leaning toward Clippers +6

Are the Wizards going to keep it up & slay the Cavs at home?
 
Its illogical and inconsistent to you, someone who literally knows nothing about his finances. Whos to say he doesn't make bank from betting? But apparently thats a crazy assumption, and yours aren't. Idk man, too much bullshit about this. If you really are so sure of yourself that what youre saying is true and everything else can't be possible, than thats that. Ive talked about Ellenberger's finances enough for a day lol
LOL because you have no proof that he gambles to begin with, let alone "making bank" through gambling. This is what I mean by you making grand assumptions. They literally have no foundation and its equivalent to you spouting the first thing that comes into your mind without thinking about how likely it may be. If he were making so much bank gambling, why would he ONLY post his big loser? How much money do you think this guy is worth where he can go around gambling $460,000? I can agree w/ that dude who posted earlier saying he could be betting with a group of 10 guys or something of that nature, that makes a lot more sense than he's somehow increased his net worth by 10x and decided to gamble about half a million on a football game. BUT, I do stay firm in my stance that he probably doesn't have anything to do w/ that ticket. He is more likely to have found it or knows someone who bet that much and just took a picture of it himself. It's easy to poke fun at losing bets when it's not really yours. Look at our betting threads, how many people post pics of giant losers? hmm....
 
LOL because you have no proof that he gambles to begin with, let alone "making bank" through gambling. This is what I mean by you making grand assumptions. They literally have no foundation and its equivalent to you spouting the first thing that comes into your mind without thinking about how likely it may be. If he were making so much bank gambling, why would he ONLY post his big loser? How much money do you think this guy is worth where he can go around gambling $460,000? I can agree w/ that dude who posted earlier saying he could be betting with a group of 10 guys or something of that nature, that makes a lot more sense than he's somehow increased his net worth by 10x and decided to gamble about half a million on a football game. BUT, I do stay firm in my stance that he probably doesn't have anything to do w/ that ticket. He is more likely to have found it or knows someone who bet that much and just took a picture of it himself. It's easy to poke fun at losing bets when it's not really yours. Look at our betting threads, how many people post pics of giant losers? hmm....
Dude you have no proof of any of what youre saying idk why you keep resorting to that line lol its assumptions either way. You assume no way he could've made the bet, i'm a little more open minded about it.

Its funny you keep talking about grand assumptions yet you keep continuing this argument WITH ASSUMPTIONS lol. Apparently now you can't gamble unless you post every winning ticket? Not for nothing but IF that is Jake's ticket, I think its a pretty damn fair assumption he is a regular and successful gambler.

I can't be bothered with the rest of your post man this is a fucking argument about Jake Ellenberger's potential finances ffs. If youre so sure nothing can be right but what you are assuming (which is clearly the case) than so be it lol
 
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