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I’ve been reading a lot of random shit on nutrition and health and came across a few people who believe that eating vegetables is not in our best interest. The Vegan, low-carb, and Paleo diet seems talked about a lot but not many seem to talk about this school of thought. I read mainly these two sites. They both say vegetables are not the best thing to eat but they have some differences.
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vegetables.shtml
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com
I’m no expert, and I can’t say for certain how much merit their arguments have, but it makes sense. To summarize, vegetables (the leaves, stalk, stem, root, etc) are parts of the plant that are needed for the plant to survive, and so defensive mechanisms are developed to prevent other organisms from feeding on them. Therefore, vegetables are mostly toxic, unlike fruits, which are designed to be eaten so the seeds of the plants can be propagated. Things are tomato, cucumber, and peppers fall into this category as well. Most seeds, grains, and nuts are also toxic to human digestion as well and should be avoided.
Ray Peat claims fruits are an essential part of the diet while the second link I posted suggests that humans can thrive off on a meat-only diet. I really have a hard time grasping the second one because it goes against what I’ve been told my whole life.
My questions on this:
1. I am not sure exactly how long, but humans have domesticated vegetables for a quite a while. Wouldn’t we have evolved during that time to some extend to be able to handle these toxins and make use of the nutrients in vegetables?
2. Domesticated vegetables probably also means we have bred out many of the natural defensive toxins in these plants.
3. Can we get enough micros (and perhaps carbs) by eating mostly, or only, meat?
Speaking of my experience, I have never eaten a meat-only diet so I can’t speak on that but I do eat a diet of mostly meat (and seafood) and fruits, with a heavier emphasis on fruit. Most plant-based foods I eat these days are fruit and sometimes due to time constraints (and their tastiness), I just make a huge smoothie for dinner with maybe a few hard-boiled eggs. This is completely anecdotal, and perhaps also a placebo, but I generally feel better if I eat a ton of fruit and my bowel movements are much better. Eating lots of veggies seems to improve my experience on the shitter as well, but I don’t feel as good in terms of energy compared to if I ate lots of fruit. Even if I eat veggies, I also eat it with fruit (in the form of eggplants, peppers, etc).
What are your thoughts on this?
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/vegetables.shtml
http://www.diagnosisdiet.com
I’m no expert, and I can’t say for certain how much merit their arguments have, but it makes sense. To summarize, vegetables (the leaves, stalk, stem, root, etc) are parts of the plant that are needed for the plant to survive, and so defensive mechanisms are developed to prevent other organisms from feeding on them. Therefore, vegetables are mostly toxic, unlike fruits, which are designed to be eaten so the seeds of the plants can be propagated. Things are tomato, cucumber, and peppers fall into this category as well. Most seeds, grains, and nuts are also toxic to human digestion as well and should be avoided.
Ray Peat claims fruits are an essential part of the diet while the second link I posted suggests that humans can thrive off on a meat-only diet. I really have a hard time grasping the second one because it goes against what I’ve been told my whole life.
My questions on this:
1. I am not sure exactly how long, but humans have domesticated vegetables for a quite a while. Wouldn’t we have evolved during that time to some extend to be able to handle these toxins and make use of the nutrients in vegetables?
2. Domesticated vegetables probably also means we have bred out many of the natural defensive toxins in these plants.
3. Can we get enough micros (and perhaps carbs) by eating mostly, or only, meat?
Speaking of my experience, I have never eaten a meat-only diet so I can’t speak on that but I do eat a diet of mostly meat (and seafood) and fruits, with a heavier emphasis on fruit. Most plant-based foods I eat these days are fruit and sometimes due to time constraints (and their tastiness), I just make a huge smoothie for dinner with maybe a few hard-boiled eggs. This is completely anecdotal, and perhaps also a placebo, but I generally feel better if I eat a ton of fruit and my bowel movements are much better. Eating lots of veggies seems to improve my experience on the shitter as well, but I don’t feel as good in terms of energy compared to if I ate lots of fruit. Even if I eat veggies, I also eat it with fruit (in the form of eggplants, peppers, etc).
What are your thoughts on this?
