No one talking about Nates marcelotine...

[BJJ_Rage]

theres a dude on the Heavies that started a threas about hos ridiculoous easy conor gave up sidemount, im trying to explain to the dude that conor was forced to defend a marcelotine (well good luck with that to me)

Do you guys think we will eventually see more people going for a marcelotine from sidecontrol? it was the move that started the end of the fight, conor passed nates guard incredible smoothly, but got caught while it (awesome counter by nate) I just realized how unpopular the the High elbow guillotine is in mma, if you can time it well, its a very good weapon to at least get out of side control... May be after nates marcelotine, we will see more people implementing it

 

[the heed]

Nate baited Conor and caught him like you said. It was great to watch.
And I enjoyed it more that Conor defended because I got to see how Nate's brain was working at the time. The set up was great to watch. The entire sequence was just awesome by Nate.

 

[randomg1t]

Nate baited Conor and caught him like you said. It was great to watch.
And I enjoyed it more that Conor defended because I got to see how Nate's brain was working at the time. The set up was great to watch. The entire sequence was just awesome by Nate.

that's how you use jiu jitsu in mma. swept him with the guillotine, mounted him, landed bombs, went for the choke, hit him some more to sink it in and choked him out.

it was beautiful, in a very brutal sense.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Good lucky explaining anything to people in the heavies. It's almost exclusively comprised of neck beards or bros that have never trained before.

 

[the heed]

Good lucky explaining anything to people in the heavies. It's almost exclusively comprised of neck beards or bros that have never trained before.

sad but true

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

sad but true

It's the weird thing with MMA. Everyone I know who trains rarely watches MMA. Everyone I know who watches MMA has never trained before. Maybe its just my experience but so far its been the norm.

At least with things like football or baseball fans, lots of people have at least played in little league, or pee wee football or something at some point.

 

[j123]

At least with things like football or baseball fans, lots of people have at least played in little league, or pee wee football or something at some point.

Guess they did some TMA when they were in kindergarden.

 

[the heed]

It's the weird thing with MMA. Everyone I know who trains rarely watches MMA. Everyone I know who watches MMA has never trained before. Maybe its just my experience but so far its been the norm.

At least with things like football or baseball fans, lots of people have at least played in little league, or pee wee football or something at some point.

same goes for boxing.. maybe 10% boxing fans have actually boxed. And I mean more than going to LA Boxing and punch on heavy bags.
I was out at a bar with some people I train with watching the fights on saturday. I was dying laughing with all the arm chair fighters making comments how the fight "should have gone". And the ones who really fight, just sat there watching the fight and making an occasional comment on a mistake or something done well.

but you are right.. majority of the fans are people who never trained..

What I think the worst ones are the one who has done some "MMA" class and think they can actually fight.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

It's the weird thing with MMA. Everyone I know who trains rarely watches MMA. Everyone I know who watches MMA has never trained before. Maybe its just my experience but so far its been the norm.

At least with things like football or baseball fans, lots of people have at least played in little league, or pee wee football or something at some point.

I watched MMA and lurked and participate way more in MMA forums untill I started training, hell I started training because I was spending so much time in MMA forums, I said, fuck It I gotto go train to stop talking out of my ass...

long after, I only watch fights with grapplers and some fighters I like... I sitll spend a lot of time in sherdog, but mostly grappling forum and war room...

 

[MiroHa]

Good lucky explaining anything to people in the heavies. It's almost exclusively comprised of neck beards or bros that have never trained before.

Tell me about it. It's unbearable to read posts after posts about Conor being a white belt on the ground despite he had some success against Nate.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I watched MMA and lurked and participate way more in MMA forums untill I started training, hell I started training because I was spending so much time in MMA forums, I said, fuck It I gotto go train to stop talking out of my ass...

long after, I only watch fights with grapplers and some fighters I like... I sitll spend a lot of time in sherdog, but mostly grappling forum and war room...

Right. I watched religiously before I ever stepped foot in a gym. Now I train 3-4 days a week but maybe steam two UFC cards a year. I do watch lots of other combat sports (BJJ, Judo, sport TKD and karate) on youtube though.

 

[jack36767]

Tell me about it. It's unbearable to read posts after posts about Conor being a white belt on the ground despite he had some success against Nate.

Yeah, I've been known to be a tiny bit critical of Conor ...and he looked good/not incompetent in the first round on top. I will say this...he didn't sweep Nate..Nate pulled guard

 

[MiroHa]

Yeah, I've been known to be a tiny bit critical of Conor ...and he looked good/not incompetent in the first round on top. I will say this...he didn't sweep Nate..Nate pulled guard

Yeah, IIRC Nate was posting with his right arm at first to stop Conor's sweep but decided slap him a couple times instead and pull guard. Still, Conor had a pretty strong position to sweep although if Nate really wanted to get back on his feet he probably could have especially since they were close to the cage. I might be off since I've seen the fight only once and some gifs.

 

[Waldorf]

I thought it was really nice because I think he was aware of the defense that Connor was going to use against the guillotine (ala the Mendes fight) and used that to take the mount. Beautiful.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I've been spamming it everywhere but I think Connor's loss had less to do with his lack of BJJ or Nate's BJJ skill and more to do with his terrible game plan of just standing and banging. Terrible energy management and didn't utilize leg kicks (which other's have given Nate trouble with) or footwork. Some low round kicks to the leg, and front/side kicks to the knee and footwork would have been the game plan I would have given him as a coach.

But I'm just some schlub on a message board arm chair QBing

 

[the heed]

I've been spamming it everywhere but I think Connor's loss had less to do with his lack of BJJ or Nate's BJJ skill and more to do with his terrible game plan of just standing and banging. Terrible energy management and didn't utilize leg kicks (which other's have given Nate trouble with) or footwork. Some low round kicks to the leg, and front/side kicks to the knee and footwork would have been the game plan I would have given him as a coach.

But I'm just some schlub on a message board arm chair QBing

that and add to the fact that Connor hit Nate with his hardest shots and Nate just kept coming.. and I think that demoralized him.

But can't take away Nate's skills. The last sequence was a thing of beauty.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

that and add to the fact that Connor hit Nate with his hardest shots and Nate just kept coming.. and I think that demoralized him.

But can't take away Nate's skills. The last sequence was a thing of beauty.

Yes, most definitely.

 

[mataleaos]

Do you mean more people using it from side control top or side control bottom?

The high elbow guillotine is definitely on the rise even if it's not as common as it could be. The percentage of guillotine finishes has skyrocketed in the past couple of years and other chokes like the brabo (d'arce) have had twice as many completions from 2012-2015 as there were in 1993-2011 combined. I think the various guillotines and arm triangles are going to keep on rising in popularity.

Nate was one of the first MMA guys I saw going for the high elbow. He did it when he was on TUF and has been using it since then.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Do you mean more people using it from side control top or side control bottom?

The high elbow guillotine is definitely on the rise even if it's not as common as it could be. The percentage of guillotine finishes has skyrocketed in the past couple of years and other chokes like the brabo (d'arce) have had twice as many completions from 2012-2015 as there were in 1993-2011 combined. I think the various guillotines and arm triangles are going to keep on rising in popularity.

Nate was one of the first MMA guys I saw going for the high elbow. He did it when he was on TUF and has been using it since then.

side bottom, never seen anyone trying it in MMA

 

[middleaged]

It looked like Conor didn't cartwheel high enough when he tried to pass to side control, which allowed Nate to block him with his bottom leg. Would have been interesting to see what would have happened had he managed to secure side control.