No more Mattis soon.

[Neph]

Everybody is so awesome until they disagree with Donald Trump and then they're worthless shitbags.

You guys are un-fucking-believable.

It's a cult of personality

 

[MiniCraque]

So what you are saying is you just want to pull out nice and slow

Am I wrong here? Are all the troops already back home? Did the space force pick them all up and warp speed them back home?

I don't want anything. I have no dog in this fight. All I did was point out is that there's no contradiction in being against pulling out and not wanting to be there in the first place. Once you're in, the game changes and you're not bound to any former position. The situation is different and so are the stakes.

This shouldn't be so hard to understand since it's pretty common to consider both GWB's (more like Cheney's really but I digress) imperialistic whims and Obama's decision to pull out of Iraq bad calls.

 

[LuchaBear]

The right way of pulling out, would be to make a deal with Russia and Turkey to pull out all together.

Trump is cucking the U.S.

 

[LuchaBear]

Why is it so hard for the resident idiots to understand that being against a military intervention and being against a sudden withdrawal are not conflicting ideals?

They understand it very well.. This is just the talking point they seen over at The_Donald, and they'll continue to regurgitate it over and over until the next topic.

 

[SBJJ]

I don't want anything. I have no dog in this fight. All I did was point out is that there's no contradiction in being against pulling out and not wanting to be there in the first place. Once you're in, the game changes and you're not bound to any former position. The situation is different and so are the stakes.

This shouldn't be so hard to understand since it's pretty common to consider both GWB's (more like Cheney's really but I digress) imperialistic whims and Obama's decision to pull out of Iraq bad calls.

So what you are saying is there is no contradiction in being for an end to a war and being for the continuance of a war

Gotcha

 

[SBJJ]

The right way of pulling out, would be to make a deal with Russia and Turkey to pull out all together.

Trump is cucking the U.S.

LOL

So after we armed all the fanatics we demand countries that were invited into the country to leave

You guys are really reaching with this stuff

 

[SBJJ]

I don't want anything. I have no dog in this fight. All I did was point out is that there's no contradiction in being against pulling out and not wanting to be there in the first place. Once you're in, the game changes and you're not bound to any former position. The situation is different and so are the stakes.

This shouldn't be so hard to understand since it's pretty common to consider both GWB's (more like Cheney's really but I digress) imperialistic whims and Obama's decision to pull out of Iraq bad calls.

So if Bolton and Trump decide to invade Iran you will be against the initial invasion but you will be for staying afterwards?

This was the same reasoning used to continue the Vietnam war for years. Got to finish the job

 

[Anung Un Rama]

For retarded Repubes trying to label the left war hawks.

Afghanistan = pull out
Iraq = pull out
Go for it.

Syrira = not yet. By all accounts Assad and Russia are just waiting to take over once the U.S. leaves, any not to do any good in the region.

Talks of flip flopping?
That's rich coming from Republicans,
who as soon as Trump dicked them suddenly started loving Putin (previously hated him) & turned on George Bush.



This is the main point sane people are worried about.

Assad is just waiting to take over the country he's been the President of for the last 18 years?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

After Syrian President Bashar al-Assad launched a chemical attack on civilians in April 2017, Trump called Mattis and said he wanted to assassinate the dictator. “Let’s fucking kill him! Let’s go in. Let’s kill the fucking lot of them,” Trump said, according to Woodward.

Mattis told the president that he would get right on it. But after hanging up the phone, he told a senior aide: “We’re not going to do any of that. We’re going to be much more measured.” The national security team developed options for the more conventional airstrike that Trump ultimately ordered.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...f63ab8b1370_story.html?utm_term=.1ec47c48a1d0

I love and respect Bob, but this story doesn't jive.
Trump told him a story about what he said to Mattis one time and somehow Bob knows what Mattis did when the conversation ended? C'mon son.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Why is it so hard for the resident idiots to understand that being against a military intervention and being against a sudden withdrawal are not conflicting ideals?

We have 2,200 troops in Syria...

 

[VivaRevolution]

And Trump is?

No, but that is how the system works. Trump is the commander and chief. Perhaps folks that have never been in the military don't understand the significance of that, but just to try to help you understand, command structure is everything in any military. Believe it or not, you are expected to follow stupid orders without question.

Mattis should be ashamed of himself.

 

[VivaRevolution]

But he is widely recognized as a geo political expert. Which is why he is so well respected across the board.

There is a reason his nickname is the warrior monk.

It's the reason a lot of people on both sides of the aisle supported his appointment and are scared to seem him go.

Why would you consider him a geo-political expert?

Did he study political science at school?

His job requires him to make what kind of geo-political policy decisions? When, give me even one example.

Calling Mattis a geo-politocal strategist is like calling point guard a quarterback. Yes, they both play sports, hell they even direct traffic in game play. Saying a QB is qualified to play point guard is absurdity.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Like Mattis, you are........

 

[Pelosi2020]

We have 2,200 troops in Syria...

I don’t understand how everyone isn’t against this. Yet again we have troops on the ground, inside a sovereign country, uninvited, in opposition to that government, and likely in opposition to the people of that country.

Some Americans are okay with that for no other reason than Trump opposes it and Mattis supports it?

How would they feel if another country put their troops on American soil? Pretty sure that is an act of war.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I don't want anything. I have no dog in this fight. All I did was point out is that there's no contradiction in being against pulling out and not wanting to be there in the first place. Once you're in, the game changes and you're not bound to any former position. The situation is different and so are the stakes.

This shouldn't be so hard to understand since it's pretty common to consider both GWB's (more like Cheney's really but I digress) imperialistic whims and Obama's decision to pull out of Iraq bad calls.

That's fair, but what about our 18 years in Afghanistan makes you think anything will change?

Why do you think we should stay?

I don't find that position defensible.

 

[TheComebackKid]

LOL! Threaten you? What the fuck are you talking about? Are you drunk Again?

Tiny little bitch? Are you for real? We've seen you dummy. What? 5'6' absolutely no muscle tone. Bald with saggy tits, noodle arms and an almost pregnant look in the midsection

I'd never even fight you. It would look like a man fighting a pregnant extraterrestrial. I'd just hold you down as gently as possible until the authorities arrived. I'd also contain you while they argued which facility to take you to. Male or Female

@Fawlty

 

[Protectandserve]

Why would you consider him a geo-political expert?

Did he study political science at school?

His job requires him to make what kind of geo-political policy decisions? When, give me even one example.

Calling Mattis a geo-politocal strategist is like calling point guard a quarterback. Yes, they both play sports, hell they even direct traffic in game play. Saying a QB is qualified to play point guard is absurdity.

Here ya go. Hes got a bachelors in history, a masters in international security affairs, etc.

He also headed NATO Strategic Command for several years (2007 to 2009) hence why NATO respects him. You don't do two years of NATO command without a form understanding of geopolitical issues facing your allies.


https://www.eduinreview.com/blog/2017/01/james-mattis-how-well-educated-is-americas-warrior-monk/

https://www.army.mil/article/181147/meet_james_n_mattis_10_facts_about_the_new_dod_secretary

 

[VivaRevolution]

Here ya go. Hes got a bachelors in history, a masters in international security affairs, etc.

He also headed NATO Strategic Command for several years (2007 to 2009) hence why NATO respects him. You don't do two years of NATO command without a form understanding of geopolitical issues facing your allies.


https://www.eduinreview.com/blog/2017/01/james-mattis-how-well-educated-is-americas-warrior-monk/

https://www.army.mil/article/181147/meet_james_n_mattis_10_facts_about_the_new_dod_secretary

Ok, fair enough. Now what if I find someone with better credentials arguing the opposite of what Mattis said.

Does the fact that he is in a military chain of command, undermining his superior in public, not undermine his credibility?

 

[Protectandserve]

Ok, fair enough. Now what if I find someone with better credentials arguing the opposite of what Mattis said.

Does the fact that he is in a military chain of command, undermining his superior in public, not undermine his credibility?

I think he got to the point where he went from disagreement and debate with the president to where he would be undermining him if he stayed and left.

He was also thoroughly diplomatic in his resignation. He could have done the Twitter thing, talk media tour, etc blasting the President but did not.

 

[VivaRevolution]

I think he got to the point where he went from disagreement and debate with the president to where he would be undermining him if he stayed and left.

He was also thoroughly diplomatic in his resignation. He could have done the Twitter thing, talk media tour, etc blasting the President but did not.

I actually think personal attacks would be fine. It is the policy side I think he is out of line on.

If one of mattis's subordinates undermined his orders like this, Mattis would have that person drummed out the military, and charged with insubordination.