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No more Mattis soon.

PEDS Help me Post said:
... and Hilary Clinton was going to be the one to repair ties with Russia?


Nah, Putin is smarter than any President you guys have had in a long time.
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Hillary lost and is irrelevant to the discussion- get over it.

Repairing a relationship is easy to do if you are to stupid or compromised or intimidated to confront the real challenges that stand in the way.
 
Trump is a stooge

Mattis was like the last adult left.

So guys knowing that this is my gut reaction, help me here.

How is fighting Assad making sure we don't have isis?

The revolution against Assad and SA/USA funding created the vacuum in the first place. Like always the fundies hijacked the revolution. How is defeating Assad more important unless viewed from a regional power conflict (Israel vs Iran) being more important that defeating global jihadists?

Besides the Kurds, are there even any identifiable "good guys" to support here?
 
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franklinstower said:
Hillary lost and is irrelevant to the discussion- get over it.

Repairing a relationship is easy to do if you are to stupid or compromised or intimidated to confront the real challenges that stand in the way.
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And Trump won, so get over it. Your choices of leaders were both idiots, neither of who will try to repair a relationship with Russia because neither are beholden to the actual citizens of the U.S, but to the likes of military complex whom profits from war.
 
PEDS Help me Post said:
And Trump won, so get over it. Your choices of leaders were both idiots, neither of who will try to repair a relationship with Russia because neither are beholden to the actual citizens of the U.S, but to the likes of military complex whom profits from war.
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That is my point you dumb ass. I never mentioned Hillary and she has nothing to do with me or this discussion.
 
Gandhi said:
Trump is a stooge

Mattis was like the last adult left.

So guys knowing that this is my gut reaction, help me hear.

How is fighting Assad making sure we don't have isis?

The revolution against Assad and SA/USA funding created the vacuum in the first place. Like always the fundies hijacked the revolution. How is defeating Assad more important unless viewed from a regional power conflict (Israel vs Iran) being more important that defeating global jihadists?

Besides the Kurds, are there even any identifiable "good guys" to support here?
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As far as whether there are good guys, it's kind of a tough question. Compare to US intervention in Latin America, which was a horrible disaster (and still is) where anyone we could have backed was some psychotic murderous group of thugs. In the middle east, it's like that plus they're all religious maniacs on top of that. If we choose "stability" we have to choose authoritarian monsters. The Kurds only look good by comparison - they're fucking nutjobs too. But like you say it's actually a regional conflict (and the wildcard of the global jihadist forces were beaten).

Anyway the state of play is still the same as it was after we crippled Iraq- a multilevel proxy war. It's a war between Iran/Syria and SA/Israel. And Russia backs Iran/Syria while we back SA/Israel. If we completely leave the conflict, Russia/Syria/Iran have an advantage, Iran possibly develops nukes and shifts control of the middle east. It's hard to sell us just "leaving" when you take a wider view of what's happening, especially with Turkey going fundamentalist batshit crazy and Russia seizing extremely important territory outside its borders. I'm sure things will work out fucking great if we "just go home" right? LOL.
 
franklinstower said:
That is my point you dumb ass. I never mentioned Hillary and she has nothing to do with me or this discussion.
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It is relevant as you said "All we need is to not have a fucking idiot for president. We Americans can do anything we put our mind into blah blah blah"

Except you cant because both of your choices for President were drooling morons.
 
M3t4tr0n said:
It's not inevitable and Putin still has lots of enemies. We need a new potus that doesn't kiss Putins ass.
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Sure, everyone has lots of enemies. Doesn't change the fact that he's been making smart moves while the U.S. blunders around the world swinging a club like an idiot.


So you need a 'strong' President that will attack Russia even more? Sure. I don't see anything wrong with the world's two biggest nuclear powers getting into more confrontations. Sounds like a great fucking idea..... if you're mentally retarded.
 
PEDS Help me Post said:
It is relevant as you said "All we need is to not have a fucking idiot for president. We Americans can do anything we put our mind into blah blah blah"

Except you cant because both of your choices for President were drooling morons.
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You just thought you had me somehow with Hillary which is stupid and not even a point. She is irrelevant to me and had nothing to do with the points I was making. You have HDS.
 
VivaRevolution said:
I wouldn't go that far. Gonna have to topple the USD as world reserve currency first, which I don't see happening short of global economic collapse, or at least until the robots turn the world on it's head.

Remember the golden rule. He who has the gold, makes the rules.
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The more the U.S. bullies others the greater the resistance to that bullying will become.
 
PEDS Help me Post said:
Sure, everyone has lots of enemies. Doesn't change the fact that he's been making smart moves while the U.S. blunders around the world swinging a club like an idiot.


So you need a 'strong' President that will attack Russia even more? Sure. I don't see anything wrong with the world's two biggest nuclear powers getting into more confrontations. Sounds like a great fucking idea..... if you're mentally retarded.
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I guess you prefer a potus who cucks for him instead. Doesn't sound like the alpha thing tbh, but I guess it's the "Russian bot" thing to say ;)
 
Remember when Republicans were 100% against Putin/Russia expanding their territory/power? Hmm seemed like 2015/6

I remember Republicans calling for Obama to take military action against Russia when Putin invaded Crimea.

Now...Russian Daddy can have anything he wants.
Trump is just a fat Russian Doll with Putin hiding inside him.

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Fawlty said:
As far as whether there are good guys, it's kind of a tough question. Compare to US intervention in Latin America, which was a horrible disaster (and still is) where anyone we could have backed was some psychotic murderous group of thugs. In the middle east, it's like that plus they're all religious maniacs on top of that. If we choose "stability" we have to choose authoritarian monsters. The Kurds only look good by comparison - they're fucking nutjobs too. But like you say it's actually a regional conflict (and the wildcard of the global jihadist forces were beaten).

Anyway the state of play is still the same as it was after we crippled Iraq- a multilevel proxy war. It's a war between Iran/Syria and SA/Israel. And Russia backs Iran/Syria while we back SA/Israel. If we completely leave the conflict, Russia/Syria/Iran have an advantage, Iran possibly develops nukes and shifts control of the middle east. It's hard to sell us just "leaving" when you take a wider view of what's happening, especially with Turkey going fundamentalist batshit crazy and Russia seizing extremely important territory outside its borders. I'm sure things will work out fucking great if we "just go home" right? LOL.
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I think it's possible to sympathize with mattis and think this thing is still a giant cluster fuck with no strategy. What's more is SA/Israel and the USA by proxy are supporting the global jihadist side (ie Sunni). I am kinda stuck between agreeing that impulsive/reverse wag the dog FP is a retarded way to give up any influence on the situation. vs. thinking there is no strategy so fuck it. In Iraq the USA created the void by invading then leaving, am I naive to think that letting Assad win is the only real way to get rid of the void here?

In summary, trumps way of doing this is retarded, but what is implementable strategy/alternative?
 
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