Ngannou Awful Ground Game

"He will be picked apart by better wrestlers" ...

... Ngannou fought in his first fight in the UFC Luis Henrique, who is brazilian wrestling champion and brown belt in bjj, in his second fight he fought Curtis Blaydes that has probably the most powerful double leg currently in mma, ask them how it went.

Stipe is probably the only fighter good enough and tough enough to survive that first round, and you need more than wrestling to do that.
 
Everyone knows his weakness now and will try to exploit it. He better study some wrestling or he's Ngannou be in the UFC for much longer.
 
First off,

I usually love watching Ngannou fight, and I have love for his all or nothing style. Especially when he is on his feet as we all do.

I can't get over how terrible his ground game was when he became exposed. Rd one he fucking gave that side control to Stipe off a takedown that was well executed but did not look fast or well disguised.

People say NG will be champ. He is dangerous enough to do it, but he will get picked apart by better wrastlers that survive the initial (very lethatl) 1st rd attempts.

You need more skills than planting yourself in the canvas and swinging hard. Those days were exciting and fun but they are gone, folks.
uh. no. everyone has a bad ground game when they are gassed to hell
 
I usually love watching Ngannou fight, and I have love for his all or nothing style. Especially when he is on his feet as we all do.
All or nothing style?

How much time do you want to spend training striking? "ALL"

How about grappling? "NOTHING"
 
"He will be picked apart by better wrestlers" ...

... Ngannou fought in his first fight in the UFC Luis Henrique, who is brazilian wrestling champion and brown belt in bjj, in his second fight he fought Curtis Blaydes that has probably the most powerful double leg currently in mma, ask them how it went.

Stipe is probably the only fighter good enough and tough enough to survive that first round, and you need more than wrestling to do that.

I'm waiting for you to tell us that Ngannou's grappling was actually massively evolved from the Pride era and it only looked poor due to Stipe's amazing technique of leaning on him?
 
I'm waiting for you to tell us that Ngannou's grappling was actually massively evolved from the Pride era and it only looked poor due to Stipe's amazing technique of leaning on him?
You are so desperate that i don't even know why i am losing time respoding to you.
You and some of those Pride nut huggers live in a different reality from a different space time dimension, that's the only rational answer.

Ngannou isn't exactly in the UFC because of his grappling.
The difference between Ngannou and guys like Diakase, Abdul Razak Alhassan, and Galore Bofando is that Ngannou is a 265 pounds heavyweight, has a huge size and power advantage over anyone, meanwhile those guys are fighting opponents their size that cuts weight like everybody does in their division.




This is your boy in one of his victories over a "mythical beast" in Semmy Schilt, another giant man like Ngannou, in which he displayed his legendary grappling skills.

Schilt was so skilled that he let himself being throw like one of those grappling dummies leaning over Fedor, then he hugged Fedor from the bottom for the whole fight.
He was so stubborn in doing the worst thing possible that he hugged Fedor in bottom half guard and bottom mount, like a guy in his first grappling lesson would do.


Miocic was leaning over Ngannou and using half nelsons because that was the only way to keep Ngannou down and drain him for the path of least resistance.
Ngannou was fighting for the underhook for bottom half guard, in the second round when he was less tired he got up using the underhook, Stipe was using a whizzer and his forearm to pin down Ngannou's head, basically Stipe was countering the counter, we are talking about a different level here than the fight i linked above.

Stipe did very little damage to Ngannou in a 5 round fight because he had his two arms busy to keep Ngannou down, Ngannou wasn't even an easy prey like you think he was, a guy like Fedor wouldn't even be close in taking him down.

What people like you that never trained a day in their live fail to understand, it's easy to look good against an outmatched opponent, Anthony Hamilton looked like a world beater against Ruan Potts.

Your heroes like Fedor and Nogueira looked amazing against guys that couldn't see a triangle or an armbar from a mile or guys that pinned themselves down like Semmy Schilt because nobody ever told them what to do, meanwhile you can't see Stipe's amazing technique because Miocic is fighting good guys.


All the best ground and pounds fighters in 2018, or ground fighters as a whole really, because nobody fights from his back anymore, are guys that are masters in pinning down the opponent while having one arm free to punch, like Nurmagomedov, Cormier, Jones, Demetrious Johnson, and these guys are able to do that against world class competition that fights back, stand up or scramble.
If you can't see or understand that because you are biased and full of shit it's not my fault.
 
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You are so desperate that i don't even know why i am losing time respoding to you.
You and some of those Pride nut huggers live in a different reality from a different space time dimension, that's the only rational answer.

Ngannou isn't exactly in the UFC because of his grappling.
The difference between Ngannou and guys like Diakase, Abdul Razak Alhassan, and Galore Bofando is that Ngannou is a 265 pounds heavyweight, has a huge size and power advantage over anyone, meanwhile those guys are fighting opponents their size that cuts weight like everybody does in their division.



This is your boy in one of his victories over a "mythical beast" in Semmy Schilt, another giant man like Ngannou, in which he displayed his legendary grappling skills.

Schilt was so skilled that he let himself being throw like one of those grappling dummies leaning over Fedor, then he hugged Fedor from the bottom for the whole fight.
He was so stubborn in doing the worst thing possible that he hugged Fedor in bottom half guard and bottom mount, like a guy in his first grappling lesson would do.

Miocic was leaning over Ngannou and using half nelsons because that was the only way to keep Ngannou down and drain him for the path of least resistance.
Ngannou was fighting for the underhook for bottom half guard, in the second round when he was less tired he got up using the underhook, Stipe was using a whizzer and his forearm to pin down Ngannou's head, basically Stipe was countering the counter, we are talking about a different level here than the fight i linked above.

Stipe did very little damage to Ngannou in a 5 round fight because he had his two arms busy to keep Ngannou down, Ngannou wasn't even an easy prey like you think he was, a guy like Fedor wouldn't even be close in taking him down.

What people like you that never trained a day in their live fail to understand, it's easy to look good against an outmatched opponent, Anthony Hamilton looked like a world beater against Ruan Potts.

Your heroes like Fedor and Nogueira looked amazing against guys that couldn't see a triangle or an armbar from a mile or guys that pinned themselves down like Semmy Schilt because nobody ever told them what to do, meanwhile you can't see Stipe's amazing technique because Miocic is fighting good guys.

All the best ground and pounds fighters in 2018, or ground fighters as a whole really, because nobody fights from his back anymore, are guys that are masters in pinning down the opponent while having one arm free to punch, like Nurmagomedov, Cormier, Jones, Demetrious Johnson, and these guys are able to do that against world class competition that fights back, stand up or scramble.
If you can't see or understand that because you are biased and full of shit it's not my fault.


If your talking about "desperation" you might want to look at the reality than a one line response from me drew out a half page post from you.

A comparison between Schilt and Ngannou I'd agree isn't THAT bad, Ngannou having better tajkedown defence for awhile when fresh but obviously worse cardio, worse technique off of his back and infinitely worse striking technique.

The modern evolved champion in Stipe just faced someone with simply horrible grappling technique yet were were the amazing subs? surely they should have been easy to pull off? there comes a point were your fantasy that any skill shown in the past was just an illusion is impossible to sustain.
 
If your talking about "desperation" you might want to look at the reality than a one line response from me drew out a half page post from you.

A comparison between Schilt and Ngannou I'd agree isn't THAT bad, Ngannou having better tajkedown defence for awhile when fresh but obviously worse cardio, worse technique off of his back and infinitely worse striking technique.

The modern evolved champion in Stipe just faced someone with simply horrible grappling technique yet were were the amazing subs? surely they should have been easy to pull off? there comes a point were your fantasy that any skill shown in the past was just an illusion is impossible to sustain.
You are desperate in quoting me about Pride, i swear 99% of your posts i have seen are about Pride or past Pride fighters.

You favourite organization was truly amazing, but we are in 2018, you need to move on.
If you can't see the advancements of this sport it's you limit not mine.
 
You are desperate in quoting me about Pride, i swear 99% of your posts i have seen are about Pride or past Pride fighters.

You favourite organization was truly amazing, but we are in 2018, you need to move on.
If you can't see the advancements of this sport it's you limit not mine.

You'll find plenty of discussion from me not about Pride but honestly past/present fantasy matchups still make up a very large part of the talk on this forum. Equally I would say your own posting is quite heavily focused on the subject, discussing something you like against discussing something you dislike at length?

Again as I said would youi point out the "advancements" that Francis Ngannou represents? sloppy boxing? poor cardio? poor grappling technique? Honestly one of the main reasons the subject comes up so much is that I am actually a massive fan of HW MMA and lament the decline in standards, something that I think is only furthered by people parroting UFC/Rogan evolution hype rather than putting on pressure for thinsg to improve.
 
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He is basically McG with worse cardio. If he had cardio for 6 minutes, he would be HW-Champion which is a very sad thing to say.
 
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