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Who shit the bed more?

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Dunbar asking to be released/traded from the Skins lol.
 
Yikes

 
PUO3 said:
45 million in dead money and lose 19 mil in cap.

Cant see how that is actually happening but god damn Id laugh.
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I'd say it's a 1% chance he's traded before June 1st. Believe the cap hit following that is $21.4m. Much better but still a huge hit. My guess is they move on after two years or restructure.
 
ferrisjso said:
Before 2018 IMO Chiefs and Reid never had the right horses for Reid's system, his best players usually were defensive or runners. Even in 2017 Hill was basically a baby. Alex Smith really limited what they could do. While Tennessee was lucky to win, Indy in 2013 had the better offense. Even in Philly where he had McNabb outside of TO and DeShuan Jackson one year each never had the players that fit Reid's strategy. Bowe was pretty much done by the time Reid got there and Gonzalez was gone. Westbrook, Dawkins, Alex Smith, Jaamarl Charles these were the sorts of guys whose talents didn't really fit with Reid's strength. When your best players are running backs and on defense that system isn't utilizing your talent properly.

Every time Reid got to the NFC championship game he lost his opponents were simply better at what he did. Rams had Bruce and Holt, Panthers had Smith and Muhammad, Bucs had Kewashan Johnson and McCardell(and the better defense obv). Cardinals had Fitzgerald and Boldin. At least half those guys are/going to be Hall of Famers and the rest were perennial pro bowlers. Reid was never going to win a shootout with any of those offenses. Remember in 2008 when Eagles were pretty close to winning and the Cardinals did what the Chiefs did this playoffs cause the game Reid wanted to play was one the Cards were better at.

What's really ironic other hand those mid to late 2000s Chiefs would have been a great fit with Reid. So would the Eagles roster Chip Kelly had after Reid left. He was just always in the wrong place at the wrong time before he got Mahomes, Kelce and Hill.
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It's been a long time yet I vaguely remember those teams. Unfortunately I believe if the Eagles and Reid did win those games and played the Patriots instead, the Patriots still would have won. Spying and cheating changes everything.
 
Going to be an interesting off season for the Chiefs. A lot of free agents are probably going to get big offers from other teams. I really hope they can keep Chris Jones but I don't think they have the money.
 
Wouldnt even take Hill over Teddy for fucks sake.
 
the ambush said:
It's been a long time yet I vaguely remember those teams. Unfortunately I believe if the Eagles and Reid did win those games and played the Patriots instead, the Patriots still would have won. Spying and cheating changes everything.
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You are correct about them not being good enough to be a dynasty in the 2000s. But there is value to making it to SB several years in a row even if you never win. This isn't basketball a three peat has never happened(in any era not just SB) those sort of runs are rare. It's why the Bills get credit for making it to the Super Bowl 4 times in a row and losing cause none of the teams to win a SB were able to do that. It's also why Elway got credit to going to SB 3 in 4 years, even though the end of his career made that mute. McNabb would be the 2000s version of Elway and Kelly if he'd gotten to those games and lost. He would have made the HOF(As stands don't think he will) .

And I get what you're saying with beliving they'd lose all the Super Bowls to the Pats(though there would have been on e were they'd have faced Oakland not the Pats). Of all the Pats five three point Super Bowl wins, the win over the Eagles is the only one where I believe the difference was greater than the final score. They lost by 3 but they were not very close to winning that game(unlike the Rams, Panthers, Seahawks and Falcons who all lost on the last play of the game). Then again TO was hurt and still played incredibly so can't really say anything if someone tells you that makes the difference(Pats have beaten probably four healthy Hall of Fame receivers in their Super Bowl wins, I would be guessing no).

The 2001 Pats team probably wasn't better than the Eagles either though the Rams were incredible and it didn't matter. Anyhow while 1-4 in NFC confrence champions SOUNDS like constant failure, the only NFC title game that that the Eagles had a chance in and could be having regrets over was 2008. Funny enough I get the sense because that one happened a few years later that a lot of people forgot about it. In terms of the other ones though, there's really no question the better team won those games(in 2003 and 2008 it might have been viewed the opposite for the Panthers and Cardinals but history sure won't see it that way). All those games were decisive except the Rams one and to be honest they overachieved to even come as close to winning as they did(though the same is true for the Patriots and they won the championship). The only year they should have reached the Super Bowl of the four NFC title games in a row was the one they did.
 
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