Newt Gingrich and other conservative voices comment on police violence and black America

[panamaican]

A surprising position from Gingrich.

"If you are a normal white American, the truth is you don’t understand being black in America," he said.

White Americans "instinctively underestimate the level of discrimination and the level of additional risk," he said.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trailguide-updates-1468001199-htmlstory.html

Redstate.com
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/07/08/uncomfortable-reason-came-dallas-yesterday/

And that is because a huge, overwhelming segment of America does not really give a damn what cops do in the course of maintaining order because they assume (probably correctly) that abuse at the hands of police will never happen to them. As long as the cops keep people away from my door, they have my blessing handling "the thugs" in whatever way they see fit.

Per the Daily Caller:

In the era of Facebook Live and smart phones, it’s hard to come to any conclusion other than the fact that police brutality toward African-Americans is a pervasive problem that has been going on for generations. Seriously, absent video proof, how many innocent African-Americans have been beaten or killed over the last hundred years by the police—with little or no media coverage or scrutiny?

There’s no telling the damage this has done to us collectively, not to mention the specific families and individuals that were victimized. And, of course, the long-term psychic damage transcends the physical. All sorts of negative externalities can be expected of someone who rightly feels he’s living under an occupying army.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/08/a-confession/

As a lifelong conservative, it's a pleasant change of pace to not have to argue with proponents of my larger political philosophy over this specific subject. It is unfortunate that it takes so much violence to get there.

 

[Deleted member 159002]

Not that I think Gingrich is wrong here, but is he citing any specific evidence that shows that blacks who resist arrest are more likely to be killed by cops than whites who resist arrest?

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Not that I think Gingrich is wrong here, but is he citing any specific evidence that shows that blacks who resist arrest are more likely to be killed by cops than whites who resist arrest?

This.
Until his opinion is shown to be informed by facts as opposed to sentiment, it's worth as much, or as little, as anybody's.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

That one comment from Newt has nothing to do with blacks being shot.

It's more of a overall type of thing than once specific incident.

He happens to be right this time.

 

[ripskater]

I'm white, I don't really know racism against blacks. Racism exists. But there is a right way and a wrong way to respond to it.

Red, yellow, black or white, we've all been screwed over before. Life is not fair. But how do we respond? How you respond likely determines your path.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I'm white, I don't really know racism against blacks. Racism exists. But there is a right way and a wrong way to respond to it.

Red, yellow, black or white, we've all been screwed over before. Life is not fair. But how do we respond? How you respond likely determines your path.

I think the point Newt is trying to make is that we have identified the enemy -systemic racism - and we have allowed it to fester and build toward the unfortunate crescendo of the last 2 years: reaching critical mass on Friday.

I don't see an end to racism in my lifetime, but there is a lot we can do as a society to mitigate its effects.

 

[ripskater]

I think the point Newt is trying to make is that we have identified the enemy -systemic racism - and we have allowed it to fester and build toward the unfortunate crescendo of the last 2 years: reaching critical mass on Friday.

I don't see an end to racism in my lifetime, but there is a lot we can do as a society to mitigate its effects.

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm white in an mostly white county.

But many times our biggest enemy is ourself. I think that's happening in the black community as well.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

He's right, as long as cops keep the thugs and deadbeats out of my neighborhood -- I could care less how they do it.

But that mantra applies to the scum of all races.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm white in an mostly white county.

But many times our biggest enemy is ourself. I think that's happening in the black community as well.

We have met the enemy and he is us- Kenny Florian

 

[klnOmega]

lol, white people r sooo dumb XD they just dont understand hahaha

 

[IDL]

I don't think white Americans (or Asian and other groups) feel the whole war on black people by police narrative as much in a general sense, that's true. At least not in the same way.

Facebook outrage is not a good indicator of reality though in terms of objectively assessing something like how many black people are deliberately killed by police for no justifiable reason.

Objectivity with sensationalized and media fueled events goes out the window when it comes to the social response.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Not that I think Gingrich is wrong here, but is he citing any specific evidence that shows that blacks who resist arrest are more likely to be killed by cops than whites who resist arrest?

Only a white person would ask for statistical evidence to prove that law enforcement has a racial bias when it comes to use of lethal force.

For non-whites this is just a given. Trust their instincts, person of privilege, and get on the bus. This is not a time for critical thinking or rational analysis.

 

[ultramanhyata]

He's right, as long as cops keep the thugs and deadbeats out of my neighborhood -- I could care less how they do it.

How about the non-thugs getting killed by incompetent and psychologically unbalanced cops? Doesn't bother you as long as it's "not in your neighborhood"?

 

[Abezal]

Only a white person would ask for statistical evidence to prove that law enforcement has a racial bias when it comes to use of lethal force.

For non-whites this is just a given. Trust their instincts, person of privilege, and get on the bus. This is not a time for critical thinking or rational analysis.

What about the racial bias that blacks rob rape and murder more white people then anyone else ? or that the Police greatest threat comes from blacks ?

Its only logical they are more bias to those more likely to do me you or them harm.

 

[reveler]

newt angling for hillary VP spot

 

[uncommon]

The whole nation is on a ghost hunt before due process has even started.

And people are hunting ghosts who had nothing to do with the suspected individual tragedies that happened in MN/LA.
..
Politicians shouldn't be feeding the ghost hunt narrative but the due process narravative.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Only a white person would ask for statistical evidence to prove that law enforcement has a racial bias when it comes to use of lethal force.

For non-whites this is just a given. Trust their instincts, person of privilege, and get on the bus. This is not a time for critical thinking or rational analysis.

Crazy that people make these kinds of overtly racist comments and then later act offended when someone notes that they are racists.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

How about the non-thugs getting killed by incompetent and psychologically unbalanced cops? Doesn't bother you as long as it's "not in your neighborhood"?

Pretty much

 

[lfd0311]

Only a white person would ask for statistical evidence to prove that law enforcement has a racial bias when it comes to use of lethal force.

For non-whites this is just a given. Trust their instincts, person of privilege, and get on the bus. This is not a time for critical thinking or rational analysis.

Crazy that people make these kinds of overtly racist comments and then later act offended when someone notes that they are racists.

ROFL. You two are such SJW idiots. The FBI must be one of those groups of "white people who would ask for statistical evidence to prove that law enforcement has a racial bias" or a "person of privilege". White elitests like you to are literally what is wrong with the country.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

The whole nation is on a ghost hunt before due process has even started.

And people are hunting ghosts who had nothing to do with the suspected individual tragedies that happened in MN/LA.
..
Politicians shouldn't be feeding the ghost hunt narrative but the due process narravative.

Agreed. They need to acknowledge the problem without inciting racial tensions and making an enemy of the police. But then they have to introduce bills to address the problems and debate them and then pass (or repeal) legislation that actually makes a positive impact.