Elections New poll shows Biden falling badly, three-way tie for Democratic lead

[Jack V Savage]

Neither of those statements were racist

The second at least reflects a white nationalist worldview, while the first is tip-toeing toward racism. But aside from that, whether they are or not, they were appeals to white identity politics.

 

[franklinstower]

Who would have thought there'd be a day when I hear/read the words "centrist propaganda"

I would have thought you would or corporatist propaganda.

 

[HereticBD]

No, not everyone knows the candidates positions. In fact, very few do and the majority don't even know of the issues yielding those positions.

They know the general outline of their plans, and who the candidate of their choice is. Debates aren't big needle movers for a reason. People's minds for the most part are already made up. In the Presidential debates anyways. Primaries are a different story, as the debates regularly make or break candidates.

But everyone should have been shocked in the 2016 debates by Trump's lack of knowledge and clearly not understanding many of the questions.

I would even agree that Trump just winged all three of the debates. It didn't matter though, because he had already laid out his plans and people liked what he was saying. No 20 minute babbling about how he did or didn't support the Iraq war, and how we should ask Hannity about it, was gonna change any minds.

Like I said, it's just a show.

 

[The Diplomat]

Do you not think such a thing is possible?

Oh, it's possible. It just isn't what I'd be worried about, because centrist propaganda could also be pragmatic and practical. These are all synonymous with centrism IMO, depending on the era.

But I do believe centrists and moderates are being pushed out by younger, newer Democrats. I believe we already won the cultural war, and now there needs to be something else to fight for, regardless of who is alienated.

 

[The Diplomat]

I think for "even the liberal" @The Diplomat, "centrist" = good, by definition. He's kind of the MSM in poster form.

Pretty much, but it depends on the time and place. I wouldn't have been considered a centrist during the American Revolution, Civil War or Civil Rights eras. I wasn't even considered a centrist just 10+ years ago when arguing for same sex marriage and gay rights . Funny how quickly things can change.

I still find it funny that you consider the mainstream media centrist, though.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

The second at least reflects a white nationalist worldview, while the first is tip-toeing toward racism. But aside from that, whether they are or not, they were appeals to white identity politics.

No, anyone who understands context and has good reading comprehension while also understanding Trumps personality will know there was nothing racist about it. It was a poor choice of words at worst, imo.

Who cares what it appeals to, the border issue is a major problem and Trump told it like it is, I respect that. He didn't sugar coat it, and there is/was many rapists crossing over. Mexico was even escorting them right to the border. This is a fact.

To the second point, read my take in the go back to your country thread. It was not in a racist context.

There are legitimate things to bash Trump for, there is no need to invent some fake racist narrative

 

[monster zero]

Biden would get tethered by Trump, and I'm not a Trump supporter. Too creepy, says too much dumb chit. Just awful.

 

[superpunch]

it was kinda distressing how often i read, "if its not Biden and we end up with either Warren or Bernie, i'm either sitting it out or, reluctantly, voting for Trump".

i found that worrisome. is this sentiment real?

- IGIT

I think that sentiment is definitely real. When I look at some of the democratic candidates running, I look at their policies in fields that I actually know anything about because it's hard to 'hoodwink' me there and it shows me their actual integrity. They sound great to the ignorant, but that's all they are. In actuality, they'd be.. disastrous. Like causing a depression in a few months bad. Say what you will about Trump, a lot of his policies, like the wall, are stupid but they're not that disastrous. Also, it sounds stupid, but the social identity politics bother me.. I'm not at all certain that we won't be forced via rule of law to watch transgender athletes fighting women in the UFC at the end of a democratic term. Little things like that are enough to swing my vote.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

I wonder how long it's going to take people to finally realize that a new poll is not a news headline.

 

[franklinstower]

No, anyone who understands context and has good reading comprehension while also understanding Trumps personality will know there was nothing racist about it. It was a poor choice of words at worst, imo.

Who cares what it appeals too. The border issue is a major problem and Trump told it like it is, I respect that. He didn't sugar coat it, and there is/was many rapists crossing over. Mexico was even escorting them right to the border. This is a fact.

To the second point, read my take in the go back to your country thread. It was not a raciat context.

There are legitimate things to bash Trump for there is no need to invent some fake racist narrative

Lots of people care who Trumps speech appeals to. In fact everyone who is concerned for the wellbeing of our citizens ought to care deeply how Trumps speech is taken. The president of the United states ought to have how his speech is taken high among his priorities as any decent responsible human being would in that position.

 

[Trotsky]

Yes, for people who think "you're wrong" is an effective rebuttal of a verifiable statement of fact, he did just super.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Lots of people care who Trumps speech appeals to. In fact everyone who is concerned for the wellbeing of our citizens ought to care deeply how Trumps speech is taken. The president of the United states ought to have how his speech is taken high among his priorities as any decent responsible human being would in that position.

We can care how its taken, but if you take his words out of context thats your problem. Hes allowed to speak about important issues, like rapists crossing the border.

Should he not be allowed to mention it because it might hurt some feelings? Its not racist to tell the truth, and he wasnt calling all mexicans rapists. We all know what he was saying.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Spiking the football despite two newer polls which have him at 31 and 33 points.

Gotta love sherdogs Charlie Brownshirts

 

[Jack V Savage]

Pretty much, but it depends on the time and place. I wouldn't have been considered a centrist during the American Revolution, Civil War or Civil Rights eras. I wasn't even considered a centrist just 10+ years ago when arguing for same sex marriage and gay rights . Funny how quickly things can change.

I still find it funny that you consider the mainstream media centrist, though.

Nothing changed, except that you are a dupe of right-wing propagandists. "I, too, am upset about all the interracial couples on television. The only smart thing to do is to vote for an incompetent buffoon who will use the office to make money and hurt people like me economically."

No, anyone who understands context and has good reading comprehension while also understanding Trumps personality will know there was nothing racist about it. It was a poor choice of words at worst, imo.

Who cares what it appeals to, the border issue is a major problem and Trump told it like it is, I respect that. He didn't sugar coat it, and there is/was many rapists crossing over. Mexico was even escorting them right to the border. This is a fact.

To the second point, read my take in the go back to your country thread. It was not in a racist context.

There are legitimate things to bash Trump for, there is no need to invent some fake racist narrative

I don't think you read either of the posts you responded to in this thread carefully enough.

 

[franklinstower]

We can care how its taken, but if you take his words out of context thats your problem. Hes allowed to speak about important issues, like rapists crossing the border.

Should he not be allowed to mention it because it might hurt some feelings? Its not racist to tell the truth, and he wasnt calling all mexicans rapists. We all know what he was saying.

Any responsible leader would change their speech immediately upon discovering that white nationalists and racists were taking that speech as supportive of their cause.

I speak publicly for a living. This is not a lesson you miss when you realize how people take what you say.

Trump either knows and approves of how people take his speech or knows and doesn't care. Neither of these are acceptable to me. I think he knows and approves.

 

[JoeyJoeJoeJr]

Any responsible leader would change their speech immediately upon discovering that white nationalists and racists were taking that speech as supportive of their cause.

I speak publicly for a living. This is not a lesson you miss when you realize how people take what you say.

Trump either knows and approves of how people take his speech or knows and doesn't care. Neither of these are acceptable to me. I think he knows and approves.

How can he change his speech after the fact? Do you think Trump was plotting how to get all those white nationalist votes?

So, you think he said it because he knows racist people will love it and vote for him? Are you serious?

Hes not a professional speaker, and he usually just says what hes thinking. You all knew what he was before you voted him in, dont act surprised now.

 

[Renard]

Any responsible leader would change their speech immediately upon discovering that white nationalists and racists were taking that speech as supportive of their cause.

I speak publicly for a living. This is not a lesson you miss when you realize how people take what you say.

Trump either knows and approves of how people take his speech or knows and doesn't care. Neither of these are acceptable to me. I think he knows and approves.

Trump has disavowed white supremacy a bunch of times. You just don't care, he literally can say nothing that would change your belief about him.

 

[JamesRussler]

Wow. IMO Biden has the best chance at beating Trump. But hey, I hope they choose Sanders or Warren.

 

[franklinstower]

How can he change his speech after the fact? Do you think Trump was plotting how to get all those white nationalist votes?

So, you think he said it because he knows racist people will love it and vote for him? Are you serious?

Hes not a professional speaker, and he usually just says what hes thinking. You all knew what he was before you voted him in, dont act surprised now.

He has had multiple chances to change his speech over the course of time. Anyone who cared at all would have already corrected it. As to his motives-- that is hard to define for certain. It is one part recklessness, one part trolling and using that to divide people, one part pandering to a certain % of his base that is racist and one part Trumps racism coming out.

None of this is good enough for president of the untied states though.

 

[Amerikuracana]

There is no such thing as centrist propaganda.