Elections New poll shows Biden falling badly, three-way tie for Democratic lead

[Jack V Savage]

This confuses me. Why would you so greatly prefer Clinton to Sanders yet prefer Sanders to Biden? Aren't Clinton and Biden remarkably similar both in terms of policy and experience?

1. I didn't greatly prefer Clinton to Sanders.
2. I don't agree that Clinton and Biden are remarkably similar in terms of policy and experience.
3. There are other factors that matter in a primary.

 

[andnowweknow]

No lol.

Trade, America first, less war, and the corporate media hating him at a time when corporate media is pushing insanity, and somebody who sounds semi serious about stopping illegal immigration.. Trump is on the right side of too many issues. What the media pretends to think, and pushes, is not what Americans think.

The reason to vote D right now is America finally defeating the insurance lobby and getting UHC, and possibly union growth.. BUT for real union growth, first we have to start manufacturing more things here again, and stop letting China's unfree market and worker suppression dictate world standards. It may take time, and all these new factories do not have to be union and will not be, but it's a process.

Oh, and dems fight for the same insurance lobbyists as Rs, it seems, besides Bernie.



WTF are the dems running on??? More extra rights for people who claim to be victims of horrible white males? More gay culture sold to our kids, when a full 1/3 of the people I saw walk into the mall yesterday looked some level of gay? Less border security and deportations? Corporate media narrative that everybody left with a brain is seeing through? Reparations?

"America first" is nonsense. Hard to take someone seriously who adds a nothing slogan as reasoning for supporting something. Its "Trump first" if you're being honest.

And for crying out loud, the whining about how the media is so very unfair to Trump is getting old (for everyone). Don't lie 12k times in 2 years and people won't bash you constantly. Trump and his supporters are the biggest babies in the history of politics.

The Democrat candidate won't matter this time. It's all "are you for Trump or against him"...ie, he's gonna get crushed.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Biden missed his chance in 2016.

 

[kpt018]

This confuses me. Why would you so greatly prefer Clinton to Sanders yet prefer Sanders to Biden? Aren't Clinton and Biden remarkably similar both in terms of policy and experience?

Clinton was more liberal than Obama and Biden. I'd argue that she's closer to Bernie and Warren than Biden. The one similarity that I'd grant you is that she proposed building upon the ACA instead of blowing up the system, and that's a big difference. But her label as a moderate is not accurate - she's solidly liberal.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

New poll shows Biden falling badly, three-way tie for Democratic lead


Joe Biden's support in the race for the Democratic presidential nomination is slipping, according to a new survey from Monmouth University Poll that shows the former vice president dropping below 20 percent.

The survey showed Biden with support from 19 percent of Democratic and Democratic-leaning voters nationally, a double-digit decline from Monmouth's most recent poll in June when he led the pack with 32 percent.

Now, the dynamics have changed, according to the Monmouth survey. Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), the primary field's top progressive candidates, are each at 20 percent, putting them in a statistical tie with Biden and indicating a tightening three-way race.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/homenews/campaign/458833-new-poll-shows-biden-falling-badly-three-way-tie-for-democratic-lead?amp







Poor Joe Biden. He should have listened to Obama.

Bernie's gonna win, Bernie's gonna win.

Today, indeed, was a good day.

Discuss.......

I thought we learned to take polls with a grain of salt, especially early ones.

 

[glenwo2]

Poor Joe Biden. He should have listened to Obama.

Bernie's gonna win, Bernie's gonna win.

Today, indeed, was a good day.

Discuss.......

 

[glenwo2]

Biden will be the nomination and if Bernie gets near the nomination they will sweep him under the bus again like last time.

Agreed on all fronts here.

Biden just seems like he's still the most SANE choice (which isn't saying much) to be the nominee.

 

[glenwo2]

Unless something drastic happens to improve one of the Democratic candidates they are in for a second loss to Trump. As much as people hate Trump he is in good shape to be competitive in his re-election bid. The real problem, as usual, is that both sides of the aisle look like steaming refuse.

Also, MusterX, don't forget that there is the precedence of the Incumbent almost always winning re-election.

 

[kpt018]

I thought we learned to take polls with a grain of salt, especially early ones.

Or we can take them for what they are. Taking averages of quality polling gives us a pretty good idea as to where people are at but folks just need to remember that opinions change over time (and sometimes by a lot). If this truly is a reflection of where Democrats are at with the candidates it's really significant. Also, from a practical stand point, polling is used to wind down the field.

 

[Amerikuracana]

I thought we learned to take polls with a grain of salt, especially early ones.

Well the corporate media is technically the democrats God now.. So 100% wtevr the the media says the polls indicate will become a reality with them. They are less self-aware fox news fan of 10-15 years ago.

 

[Trotsky]

Clinton was more liberal than Obama and Biden. I'd argue that she's closer to Bernie and Warren than Biden. The one similarity that I'd grant you is that she proposed building upon the ACA instead of blowing up the system, and that's a big difference. But her label as a moderate is not accurate - she's solidly liberal.

I don't agree re her ideological proximity to Obama. She ran to Obama's right in 2008 and would do so again. And on key left-wing issues, particularly foreign policy and criminal justice, she's pretty obviously to Obama's right. She's consistently been more hawkish than Obama and more supportive of/hesitant to criticize law enforcement.

 

[glenwo2]

Biden has no chance to be the nominee...we're a year out. Trump will lose in a landslide a garden hose, it doesn't really matter. Republicans don't even like him.

Yeah...you are so right.

 

[kpt018]

I don't agree re her ideological proximity to Obama. She ran to Obama's right in 2008 and would do so again. And on key left-wing issues, particularly foreign policy and criminal justice, she's pretty obviously to Obama's right. She's consistently been more hawkish than Obama and more supportive of/hesitant to criticize law enforcement.

But she's to his left on lots of other policy, yes? Her plans would have aggressively raised taxes on the rich, she wanted robust financial reform, free daycare for mothers, etc.. Obama would probably have supported that stuff but wouldn't have died on that hill the way Hillary would.

You're referring to 2008 but in 2016 she ran a campaign that was to the left of Obama. We should be open to the fact that she changed.

 

[glenwo2]

Republicans not liking him before is why he won.

And now 90% are fully supporting him. (andnowIdon'tknowshit is full of it)

 

[badascan]

Biden is such a fake shit sandwich trying to be a proper candidate or what these puppets think a presidential candidate should be. It's transparent, gross and archaic...

 

[glenwo2]

Tulsi would have had a great shot against Trump.

Agreed. She's the one who would've concerned me a bunch.

 

[Trotsky]

But she's to his left on lots of other policy, yes? Her plans would have aggressively raised taxes on the rich, she wanted robust financial reform, free daycare for mothers, etc.. Obama would probably have supported that stuff but wouldn't have died on that hill the way Hillary would.

You're referring to 2008 but in 2016 she ran a campaign that was to the left of Obama. We should be open to the fact that she changed.

She moved to the left because the electorate moved to the left and a campaign doesn't face the same ideological constraints as an administration. I feel pretty comfortable predicting that, if Obama had campaigned in 2016, he would have done so to her left. I mean, Joe Biden's 2020 campaign is probably to the left of Hillary's 2016 campaign, but I don't think that situates him to her left.

 

[glenwo2]

He was the most well known candidate coming into the race so it could just be other people rising as they get more recognition than Biden falling.

On the other hand people might actually be worried about cognitive decline, especially as they watch Trump deteriorate before their eyes.

 

[glenwo2]

AR demonstrating there are plenty of "rambling idiots" everywhere.

 

[kpt018]

She moved to the left because the electorate moved to the left and a campaign doesn't face the same ideological constraints as an administration. I feel pretty comfortable predicting that, if Obama had campaigned in 2016, he would have done so to her left. I mean, Joe Biden's 2020 campaign is probably to the left of Hillary's 2016 campaign, but I don't think that situates him to her left.

I was with you until the last part. Why do you think Joe is to the left of Hillary?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Or we can take them for what they are. Taking averages of quality polling gives us a pretty good idea as to where people are at but folks just need to remember that opinions change over time (and sometimes by a lot). If this truly is a reflection of where Democrats are at with the candidates it's really significant. Also, from a practical stand point, polling is used to wind down the field.

So nearly half of Biden's supporters have ditched him in favor of Bernie and Warren? Something doesn't quite sound right about that.