Elections New poll shows Biden falling badly, three-way tie for Democratic lead

[forum poster]

Easily the second best national athem behind East Germany.

 

[JDragon]

People voted for Hillary on the basis of perceived electability over Sanders. It was a bad choice, but I still feel the 'socialism!!1!' argument will drive many people to vote Trump or not vote if he gets the nomination.

 

[forum poster]

People voted for Hillary on the basis of perceived electability over Sanders. It was a bad choice, but I still feel the 'socialism!!1!' argument will drive many people to vote Trump or not vote if he gets the nomination.

Sure. It worked when they called Obama a socialist for years on end...

 

[Last Samurai]

Have you heard Biden speak lately? His brand seems to actually be DOA

As soon as he opens his mouth, it's over

The guy is a gaffe machine

 

[Jack V Savage]

You're gonna have to ask @Jack V Savage and @Fawlty for their reasoning behind those comments

Warren is my top choice, and while I've cooled on Bernie since 2016, I'd still take him over Biden, and of course Trump. Maybe you have me confused with someone else?

 

[WhiteMousse]

Anyone know why?

Why would his lead just drastically drop like that? He was pretty far ahead right?

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Anyone know why?

Why would his lead just drastically drop like that? He was pretty far ahead right?

He was the most well known candidate coming into the race so it could just be other people rising as they get more recognition than Biden falling.

On the other hand people might actually be worried about cognitive decline, especially as they watch Trump deteriorate before their eyes.

 

[Jack V Savage]

of course. i'd vote for Mr. Sanders seven days a week and twice on Sunday if he takes the primary. no problemo.

i am not sure moderate Democrats feel the same way. like i've said earlier in this thread, that bothers me and it worries me.

- IGIT

Every nomination choice loses some votes. That's a baseline fact of elections, not something that varies much from election to election. I think True Progressives deciding that Bernie is a sellout and staying home or voting Trump is more likely than a significant number of liberals staying home in a Trump/Bernie election.

 

[AndroidRage]

Every nomination choice loses some votes. That's a baseline fact of elections, not something that varies much from election to election. I think True Progressives deciding that Bernie is a sellout and staying home or voting Trump is more likely than a significant number of liberals staying home in a Trump/Bernie election.

Oh, I don't know about that Jack. More Clinton supporters refused to vote for Obama than Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Clinton.

 

[Mr Holmes]

He's a rambling idiot

 

[AndroidRage]

He's a rambling idiot

Trump or Biden? The answer is both.

 

[Javelina]

imaging barack obama getting assasinated.

his staff: oh fuck, get him off stage now. lure him off with apple sauce and a fresh diaper. maybe a little girl with hair to sniff

 

[Mr Holmes]

Trump or Biden? The answer is both.

 

[andnowweknow]

Republicans not liking him before is why he won.

Hillary is why he won. That and people actually believed him before. He's gonna get crushed.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Oh, I don't know about that Jack. More Clinton supporters refused to vote for Obama than Sanders supporters who refused to vote for Clinton.

I don't know how anyone would know whether that's true, but it's not relevant to my point either way.

 

[Trotsky]

First track?

Oh, man.

Off the top of my head:

"Image of the Invisible" - Thrice
"The Guillotine" - The Coup
"The Times They Are A Changin" - Bob Dylan
"Hate Me Now" - Nas

Dunno, I wouldn't put too much stock in that because we hear several versions of that every election. Biden has the widest base so it's somewhat logical, but still speculation.

It's good to see Warren and Bernie coming up even with Biden in this poll (8/16-8/20) plus the Economist/YouGov poll (8/17-8/20). But it may not mean anything as other legit polls have different results, including the most recent (Politico/Morning Consult 8/19-8/25), where Biden maintains a big lead. Also important to remember that at this point in a prior election (04?), Joe Lieberman was about as much of a front runner as Biden is now.

Most conclusions people will draw right now, including OP, are bullshit.

Right now, Sanders' steady and increasing, even if slightly, share of the vote is a good sign for him. And I think it contradicts the baldly hopeful "he's done" commentary by ex-Hillary surrogates.

Paranoia about the optics of extremism aside, it's pretty obvious to me that Sanders is, at worst, the second best candidate to defeat Trump due to his still-unprecedented grassroots support. No other candidate even comes close to having what Sanders can draw from in terms of individual donations and door-to-door campaigning.

Warren is my top choice, and while I've cooled on Bernie since 2016, I'd still take him over Biden, and of course Trump. Maybe you have me confused with someone else?

This confuses me. Why would you so greatly prefer Clinton to Sanders yet prefer Sanders to Biden? Aren't Clinton and Biden remarkably similar both in terms of policy and experience?

 

[Amerikuracana]

Hillary is why he won. That and people actually believed him before. He's gonna get crushed.

No lol.

Trade, America first, less war, and the corporate media hating him at a time when corporate media is pushing insanity, and somebody who sounds semi serious about stopping illegal immigration.. Trump is on the right side of too many issues. What the media pretends to think, and pushes, is not what Americans think.

The reason to vote D right now is America finally defeating the insurance lobby and getting UHC, and possibly union growth.. BUT for real union growth, first we have to start manufacturing more things here again, and stop letting China's unfree market and worker suppression dictate world standards. It may take time, and all these new factories do not have to be union and will not be, but it's a process.

Oh, and dems fight for the same insurance lobbyists as Rs, it seems, besides Bernie.



WTF are the dems running on??? More extra rights for people who claim to be victims of horrible white males? More gay culture sold to our kids, when a full 1/3 of the people I saw walk into the mall yesterday looked some level of gay? Less border security and deportations? Corporate media narrative that everybody left with a brain is seeing through? Reparations?

 

[JonesBones]

Sure. It worked when they called Obama a socialist for years on end...

Except Sanders actually admits to being a socialist. Obama doesn't.

 

[orangecuse]

I wonder if he's like 'WTF you mean I've been trying my hardest to desperately suppress my urges to feel up little kids and women for nothing.'

 

[Barteh]

New survey shows more than 10% of potential democrat voters showed their opinion on the leading candidate when nothing noteworthy happened. Right, sounds believable.