New "meta" might be not so new but a slight improvement and a mix

[Rubios]

I'm leaning towards a combination of 1- a refined pressure jab & 2-good set-ups for calf kicks.

Every boxer has a stance and a style, but if we are going by-the-book, the constant jab around the opponent just for pressure/hiding the coming shots is done leaning the weight on the back foot.
So it's a pretty valid MMA stance allowing TDD, checks and so on.

On the other hand, most (at least, many) low kicks in MMA are thrown "like a sting jab", with no setup whatsoever.

KB 101 is 1-low kick. The dude in front of you knows that after a jab he should expect a right hand or a low kick, so he is automatically aware of his left guard/check as an instinctive single reaction.

In MMA, you cannot prepare your leg to check proactively because after that jab the other dude could go for a single/double TD, close the distance to wrestle...

I'm not talking Ernesto Hoost level low kick setups, but just a decoy to land from proper range and torque.
AND aiming for the calf instead of the thigh.

TL;DR Not very different from what a prime Aldo short, fast combo ending with a low kick would be... but going for the calf.

Just 2 of these early would determine a lot how the fight develops.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Actually I think the newest meta is trying to be as athletically conditioned as you can while trying to cut the most amount of weight as you can because you're too scared to fight in your actual weight division that's causing a problem where you're actually less technically proficient and less variation as a fighter because you spend most of your camp trying to lose 30 lb instead of actually being on the mats and learning new things and new styles and new tools that you can add to your game and that's why we end up with some cookie cutter fighters and the sport slowly starts to look all the same


Nobody in their right mind should be cutting more than 10 lb Max and even that's ridiculous.. the sport would look much different if weight cutting was actually pushed out of the sport because it would leave more time for actual skill development and new improvements to the game of MMA

I competed in Jiu-Jitsu many times and never cut more than 8 lb I believe and that was just because I took a tournament on late notice but outside of that I never cut weight so before anyone says oh you never competed you don't know I have I don't believe in weight cutting I'll never be a big weight cutter ..

That's why guys like BJ Penn and Frankie Edgar, Sakuraba will always have my respect...

The sport needs more originators and more creative fighters... We foolishly think that we have figured out MMA already meanwhile there's tons of martial arts that could still be mixed in and applied to the sport that hasn't even started yet the true meaning behind being a mixed martial artist is to study as many martial arts as you can and form your own style off of that...that works with your physical attributes the best

 

[Natural Order]

Get your video game lingo outta my sport, nerd!

 

[Trabaho]

Get your video game lingo outta my sport, nerd!

The new meta on sherdog is lying on your application and not being + 6 +220 lean.

 

[Oscar Madison]

Analyze your Champ/s and Top 5 Contenders in each male weight class.

 

[Luthien]

Imagine if it goes around completely Everybody gets so well rounded that instead we get fighters going back to being specialists and so good at the armbar - and what have you and nobody can stop it

 

[AmonTobin]

The sport needs more originators and more creative fighters...

I agree. I’m always looking forward to this.

 

[MaulingMyClown]

Actually I think the newest meta is trying to be as athletically conditioned as you can while trying to cut the most amount of weight as you can because you're too scared to fight in your actual weight division that's causing a problem where you're actually less technically proficient and less variation as a fighter because you spend most of your camp trying to lose 30 lb instead of actually being on the mats and learning new things and new styles and new tools that you can add to your game and that's why we end up with some cookie cutter fighters and the sport slowly starts to look all the same


Nobody in their right mind should be cutting more than 10 lb Max and even that's ridiculous.. the sport would look much different if weight cutting was actually pushed out of the sport because it would leave more time for actual skill development and new improvements to the game of MMA

I competed in Jiu-Jitsu many times and never cut more than 8 lb I believe and that was just because I took a tournament on late notice but outside of that I never cut weight so before anyone says oh you never competed you don't know I have I don't believe in weight cutting I'll never be a big weight cutter ..

That's why guys like BJ Penn and Frankie Edgar, Sakuraba will always have my respect...

The sport needs more originators and more creative fighters... We foolishly think that we have figured out MMA already meanwhile there's tons of martial arts that could still be mixed in and applied to the sport that hasn't even started yet the true meaning behind being a mixed martial artist is to study as many martial arts as you can and form your own style off of that...that works with your physical attributes the best

Agree with you 100%...obviously lot of weight cutting in wrestling as well. My question for you is:
1. How do you stop it?
2. Does the organization really care to stop it?

To answer my own questions I'll say the organizations don't give a shit. Unfortunately I think the only time they will care enough to stop it is when a fighter dies in a sauna or st the scale in front of people.

And stopping it would prove to be somewhat difficult I think. But I was thinking is randomized weight testing like they do for PEDs. Your walk around weigh year round should have to be within a certain percentage of where you want to fight. So if you want to fight at 155 you should have to maintain 170 or 175 year round...something like that. Or dehydration testing week of the fight with a certain floor as to how low you be?

What are your thoughts?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Actually I think the newest meta is trying to be as athletically conditioned as you can while trying to cut the most amount of weight as you can because you're too scared to fight in your actual weight division that's causing a problem where you're actually less technically proficient and less variation as a fighter because you spend most of your camp trying to lose 30 lb instead of actually being on the mats and learning new things and new styles and new tools that you can add to your game and that's why we end up with some cookie cutter fighters and the sport slowly starts to look all the same


Nobody in their right mind should be cutting more than 10 lb Max and even that's ridiculous.. the sport would look much different if weight cutting was actually pushed out of the sport because it would leave more time for actual skill development and new improvements to the game of MMA

I competed in Jiu-Jitsu many times and never cut more than 8 lb I believe and that was just because I took a tournament on late notice but outside of that I never cut weight so before anyone says oh you never competed you don't know I have I don't believe in weight cutting I'll never be a big weight cutter ..

That's why guys like BJ Penn and Frankie Edgar, Sakuraba will always have my respect...

The sport needs more originators and more creative fighters... We foolishly think that we have figured out MMA already meanwhile there's tons of martial arts that could still be mixed in and applied to the sport that hasn't even started yet the true meaning behind being a mixed martial artist is to study as many martial arts as you can and form your own style off of that...that works with your physical attributes the best

I wrestled. I did not cut weight either. But I was never the best. Either were you. If you want to be at the top, you need every advantage you can get.

 

[EndlessCritic]

The new meta is french kickboxing. Deal with it.

 

[BabyBlue_Bomber]

Winning the last 15 seconds of a round…

Because, for some reason, a lot of judges seem to forget everything that happened before then…

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Agree with you 100%...obviously lot of weight cutting in wrestling as well. My question for you is:
1. How do you stop it?
2. Does the organization really care to stop it?

To answer my own questions I'll say the organizations don't give a shit. Unfortunately I think the only time they will care enough to stop it is when a fighter dies in a sauna or st the scale in front of people.

And stopping it would prove to be somewhat difficult I think. But I was thinking is randomized weight testing like they do for PEDs. Your walk around weigh year round should have to be within a certain percentage of where you want to fight. So if you want to fight at 155 you should have to maintain 170 or 175 year round...something like that. Or dehydration testing week of the fight with a certain floor as to how low you be?

What are your thoughts?

Ive come up with the below options, over time and have posted them here over the years.

1) 2 day weigh ins - Weigh ins like now day before and another weigh in day of the fight 1 hour before the entire event starts and no fighter can be 10lbs heavier then their day before weight..

Example.

Day1- 154

Day 2- weight can not exceed 164lbs .


Other idea- Same day weigh in make it part of the event the fighters start the show by coming out on stage ( think pride fc tournament days) and they weigh in live .. and then the fight card starts


Final idea or in combination

More weight classes, this will allow fighters to find their ideal spot without being stuck in random in-between weight and needing to do massive cuts.


Side note:, It could be from coaching/coaches too...gym should be creating this movement of small or no weight cuts too . Their fighters will be healthier stronger and likely better off technically.. but coaching in some places is still at bro science level

 

[Paolo Delutis]

I wrestled. I did not cut weight either. But I was never the best. Either were you. If you want to be at the top, you need every advantage you can get.

Naw ..i dont believe so...im not even sold its an advantage to cut weight if everyone's doing it..just seems dangerous and hindering your overall development... Because u focus more of your weight then anything else

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Naw ..i dont believe so...im not even sold its an advantage to cut weight if everyone's doing it..just seems dangerous and hindering your overall development... Because u focus more of your weight then anything else

Right.
If everyone's doing it you no longer have an advantage. Now if you don't cut, you are at a disadvantage.

 

[Rubios]

Get your video game lingo outta my sport, nerd!

Dude: I'm old. The only place I've read "meta" as used here is... here.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

I wrestled. I did not cut weight either. But I was never the best. Either were you. If you want to be at the top, you need every advantage you can get.

that's the thing about weight cutting. for some people it's an advantage, but for some people it's actually the opposite. but the problem is that everyone doing it THINKS it's an advantage for them.

 

[Rubios]

I think we are merging two topics here: 1- Cutting the most weight 2 - Entering the cage with superior fitness/athleticism than the other guy.

1- I believe the UFC likes the brutal weight cuts... because people seem to be curious about it.
Just look at the huge amount of content regarding weight cutting, weight rebound for fight night... like it has become part of the grueling nature of the sport and another "human freak" factor of it.
I myself got very interested from a "how much can a human body endure/physiology is extraordinary" standpoint.

Most fighters say that, if the weight cutting goes OK, they feel incredible @ fight night.
In the past I looked at some studies concluding that all athletic parameters remain practically equal pre and post water cut/rehydration.
I've never competed, so never cut weight myself. My only friends competing were LHWs, so never had to cut that much or at all, even.
So I'd only be against weigh cutting if, because of it, we are deprived of top performances.
Do you know/have some certainty that weight cutting diminishes the output?

2 - At the elite level or even top of the elite level, being the superior athlete cannot be considered "meta".
Skills need peak athleticism upon them to make the difference between two top tier fighters.
Obviously being stronger/faster/more explosive... applies to every sport. But being specific to MMA:

The % of your power you can sustain on your 200th punch.
The strength endurance during wrestling/grappling.
How much your heart rate is able to drop bw rounds.
If your opponent is redlining at +180HR and you are not.

MMA fighters train technique year round, and have done it for years.
I think it makes total sense that a camp is mostly a fitness bootcamp + sharpening for the fight (intense sparring and such) + specific game plan & focusing on small adjustments.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

I think we are merging two topics here: 1- Cutting the most weight 2 - Entering the cage with superior fitness/athleticism than the other guy.

1- I believe the UFC likes the brutal weight cuts... because people seem to be curious about it.
Just look at the huge amount of content regarding weight cutting, weight rebound for fight night... like it has become part of the grueling nature of the sport and another "human freak" factor of it.
I myself got very interested from a "how much can a human body endure/physiology is extraordinary" standpoint.

Most fighters say that, if the weight cutting goes OK, they feel incredible @ fight night.
In the past I looked at some studies concluding that all athletic parameters remain practically equal pre and post water cut/rehydration.
I've never competed, so never cut weight myself. My only friends competing were LHWs, so never had to cut that much or at all, even.
So I'd only be against weigh cutting if, because of it, we are deprived of top performances.
Do you know/have some certainty that weight cutting diminishes the output?

the evidence is in the performance. clearly, cutting too much weight is bad evidenced by performances like Dillashaw's vs Cejudo. it's not that cutting weight is inherently bad, it's that cutting TOO much weight is bad and that will vary from person to person. just like some people can eat peanuts and be just fine and some people eat peanuts who have allergies and die. not everyone who is 5'7 or whatever is going to be able to cut the same amount of weight and be affected the same way.

 

[biscuitsbrah]

What even is this thread

 

[DoctorTaco]

I think we are merging two topics here: 1- Cutting the most weight 2 - Entering the cage with superior fitness/athleticism than the other guy.

1- I believe the UFC likes the brutal weight cuts... because people seem to be curious about it.
Just look at the huge amount of content regarding weight cutting, weight rebound for fight night... like it has become part of the grueling nature of the sport and another "human freak" factor of it.
I myself got very interested from a "how much can a human body endure/physiology is extraordinary" standpoint.

Most fighters say that, if the weight cutting goes OK, they feel incredible @ fight night.
In the past I looked at some studies concluding that all athletic parameters remain practically equal pre and post water cut/rehydration.
I've never competed, so never cut weight myself. My only friends competing were LHWs, so never had to cut that much or at all, even.
So I'd only be against weigh cutting if, because of it, we are deprived of top performances.
Do you know/have some certainty that weight cutting diminishes the output?

2 - At the elite level or even top of the elite level, being the superior athlete cannot be considered "meta".
Skills need peak athleticism upon them to make the difference between two top tier fighters.
Obviously being stronger/faster/more explosive... applies to every sport. But being specific to MMA:

The % of your power you can sustain on your 200th punch.
The strength endurance during wrestling/grappling.
How much your heart rate is able to drop bw rounds.
If your opponent is redlining at +180HR and you are not.

MMA fighters train technique year round, and have done it for years.
I think it makes total sense that a camp is mostly a fitness bootcamp + sharpening for the fight (intense sparring and such) + specific game plan & focusing on small adjustments.

There is no chance losing and regaining 10-20lbs in 24 hours (on top of the 10-20 people lose in camp) is conducive for peak physical performance.

You should try a weight cut for the lulz. Water load, cut carbs, and go sweat out 8-10lbs. Wait 3-4 hours, then eat and rehydrate. Take a crack at something physical the next day and see how you feel