Social New Jordan Peterson Book made Penguin's SJWs Burst Into Tears

[Jack V Savage]

Well... but workers have a right to say whatever they want about whomever they want. I don't think anyone is disputing that. The subject being debated is whether an employer has the right to fire someone for being critical of company decisions or policy. Rights work both ways.

(Don't get me wrong. In this particular case, I feel like it would be a pretty egregious bait and switch to have a town hall, invite people to speak their mind, and then fire people who actually do so.)

PS: The idea that Jordan Peterson "radicalized" anyone, as one of those employees claimed about their father, is pure fantasy on the face of it.

No one has discussed whether the employer has the right to fire workers for having the wrong views. I'm actually not aware of what if any protections apply here (either as a general thing or in their contracts). Some people have said that the workers should be fired (a life event with stress levels comparable to a death in the immediate family) for having the wrong opinion here, and that view has been criticized (one can disagree with a hypothetical decision while acknowledging someone's right to make it). Others have claimed that the liberal, pro-free-speech position is that the workers are bad, which has also been criticized.

 

[cincymma79]

No one has discussed whether the employer has the right to fire workers for having the wrong views. I'm actually not aware of what if any protections apply here (either as a general thing or in their contracts). Some people have said that the workers should be fired (a life event with stress levels comparable to a death in the immediate family) for having the wrong opinion here, and that view has been criticized. Others have claimed that the liberal, pro-free-speech position is that the workers are bad, which has also been criticized.

If they hate working there so much they should quit. Bottom line

 

[hillelslovak87]

If they hate working there so much they should quit. Bottom line

That's the argument that's been for well over a century by people scoffing at unionization, worker's protests, pushes for collective bargaining, etc etc.

Usually those people were the rich bastards who abused their workers and bribed politicians to make sure their workers would receive little to no protections from their employers whatsoever...........

 

[ElijahWood]

I'll never understand the cult this guy created.

This is one of the most interesting things about leftist cultists. How they think everyone else is in a cult.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

If they hate working there so much they should quit. Bottom line

And if the publisher values their employees more than Jordan's business they should pass on his business. Bottom line.

 

[HOLA]

PS: The idea that Jordan Peterson "radicalized" anyone, as one of those employees claimed about their father, is pure fantasy on the face of it.

You should check out the "Ex Lobster's Tank" on Reddit. It's from former Peterson cult members themselves, talking about their time in the cult.

Ex-Lobsters Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 2: The Return of the Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 3: The Non-gender specific Offspring of the Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 4: The Tank Resurrection (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 5: The Romance of The Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 6: The Tank Revelations (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

You should check out the "Ex Lobster's Tank" on Reddit. It's from former Peterson cult members themselves, talking about their time in the cult.

Ex-Lobsters Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 2: The Return of the Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 3: The Non-gender specific Offspring of the Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 4: The Tank Resurrection (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 5: The Romance of The Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 6: The Tank Revelations (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

How dare you bring up the haters....

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

This is one of the most interesting things about leftist cultists. How they think everyone else is in a cult.

Lol as compared to you. You don't even deny being in a cult.

You just think everyone is in a cult.

Very telling

 

[hillelslovak87]

How dare you bring up the haters....

"Subversives"

 

[HeLLMuTT]

I feel like now is a good time to repost this classic Jordan Peterson article from The Beaverton:

TORONTO – Controversial U of T psychology professor Jordan Peterson once again ignited a public furor last night, refusing to refer to a popular Stephen King-based horror film by the gender-neutral pronoun “IT”, on the grounds that the titular character, Pennywise the clown, is obviously a “HIM.”

According to eyewitnesses, Peterson spent 12 minutes holding up the box office line at Toronto’s Varsity Cinema while he repeatedly requested VIP room tickets for “HIM”, to the confusion of numerous employees.

“I was called over to the box office because this guy wouldn’t stop going like, ‘I’m here for HIM, I want to see HIM,’” recalled assistant manager Toby Duncan. “When I eventually clued in and asked if he meant ‘IT’, he said he most certainly did NOT mean ‘IT’ and called me a radical postmodernist ideologue trying to punish him for not using the clown’s ‘compelled pronoun.’ “

Having gained international attention last year for his outspoken refusal to call students and faculty by gender-neutral pronouns, Peterson made it clear that Pennywise – a demonic embodiment of children’s fears – would also receive no quarter.

“The objective biological reality is, Pennywise is a male monster, who is mostly a clown and sometimes a bug, but always a boy,” he explained to fellow moviegoers in the lobby. “I cannot be coerced into respecting his place in this ever-expanding community of the marginalized by calling the film ‘IT’. I will not use that clown-bug’s words.”

“And if I’m taken to jail for that, which I can only assume I’m about to be, then so be it,” he boldly declared, though by all accounts he was free to go.

In response to the persecution he’s faced at the hands of the movie theatre, Peterson has launched a crowdfunding campaign with a goal of $15,000, in order to buy a copy of the film when it comes out on Blu-ray.

You know this satire yeah dude?

You should check out the "Ex Lobster's Tank" on Reddit. It's from former Peterson cult members themselves, talking about their time in the cult.

Ex-Lobsters Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 2: The Return of the Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 3: The Non-gender specific Offspring of the Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 4: The Tank Resurrection (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 5: The Romance of The Tank (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

Ex-Lobsters Tank 6: The Tank Revelations (Special rules apply) : enoughpetersonspam (reddit.com)

This isn't satire but completely fake bro.

You're so caught up...

 

[hillelslovak87]

This is one of the most interesting things about leftist cultists. How they think everyone else is in a cult.

 

[Metusalemi]

LoL!

Cry-bullying 101.

 

[eworden78]

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Glad you see that now. Though it was the prime piece of red meat that the right-wing'ers here really ate up.

I also think you prove yourself naive about the publishing industry given you don't know dialogues and debates are constantly taking place concerning which authors should and which authors should not be published.

That's a fair criticism of me, but you need to keep in mind the context. I'd assume there's a board of professionals who review the content of books they publish and weigh the value and marketability of the material vs any negatives-the material might have.

We're not talking about that kind of organized input, we're talking about "employees confront(ing) management", "crying in the meeting", and would have "considered a walkout". It's just not professional, and that's what motivated my reaction.

 

[eworden78]

Sure.

Wrong. In fact the only people doing that ITT are rightists.



This is a little better, but not much, IMO. We can agree that the workers have a reasonable expectation that some books published by their employer will be deemed controversial to some people, but that doesn't then lead to a blanket principle that they have no right to criticize any particular publication choice.

I wouldn't support such a blanket principle.

I would hope that the employer is not so intolerant of dissent, and I think it would be morally questionable if they were. It's also interesting that people accuse the workers of illiberalism, when the idea of their employer using its power to silence debate on this is a far more egregious example of that.

This part confuses me. I specifically said it's not about the intolerance of dissent. I said the dissent was a symptom of incompatible values.

 

[BearGrounds]

Progressive leftists don't like Peterson because he had the nerve to combat their gender lunacy, and also took a huge dump on third wave feminist nonsense, which sought to neuter western men ("progressive" men desire neutering, so this upsets them feverishly).

He's obviously a good guy, and has a wealth of knowledge in his field.

When you see people slander him (especially to the detriment of his family sufferings - which spawned his drug addiction and necessary treatment), you know those people are just ideological adversaries looking to throw a barb any way that they can.

 

[Jack V Savage]

This part confuses me. I specifically said it's not about the intolerance of dissent. I said the dissent was a symptom of incompatible values.

That strikes me as a rhetorical trick. "It's not that dissent cannot be tolerated; it's that your dissent proves that your values are incompatible with our mission. I'm sure your family will understand." We're back to whether they have the right to criticize a particular publication decision or whether they are obligated to agree with any decision their employer makes lest they be suspected of having values that make them unfit.

 

[HOLA]

You know this satire yeah dude?

Yes.

This isn't satire but completely fake bro.

No.

You're so caught up...

Clean your room.

 

[Telford90]

Now to be fair to Jordan, if I was put on an all-meat diet by my CHAOS DRAGON daughter, the misery I'd feel while desperately trying to take a shit would probably turn me into a drug addict as well. Once I got out of my coma and regained some of my powers of speech I probably wouldn't think of writing a self-help book, though. Especially If I was known for telling people to get their own lives in order before daring to criticize the world. I'd probably be embarrassed about my display of hypocrisy. But, the grift must go on. It won't stop Jordan.

To my understanding he got a physical addiction to valium (or something similar), which he started taking when his wife got terminal cancer?

How miserable and mean spirited do you have to be to try and shit on a guy who's obviously in an awful place.

I know you might not agree with what he says, but what did he do to you that deserves such hate?

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

The fact that there are any people that will shed tears over something like this says volumes about the failure of parent's in our society.

 

[HOLA]

To my understanding he got a physical addiction to valium (or something similar), which he started taking when his wife got terminal cancer?

How miserable and mean spirited do you have to be to try and shit on a guy who's obviously in an awful place.

I know you might not agree with what he says, but what did he do to you that deserves such hate?

He's a grifter who rose to fame by lying about a law designed to protect people from discrimination. A "self-help guru" who defends the status quo by telling people they shouldn't criticize injustice in the world - they should first be worried about finding remedies for their own personal imperfections...meanwhile he's popping pills like Tic Tacs and going on diatribes about the fall of western civilization. You must be able to see that stunning hypocrisy? He's wife's illness is neither here nor there and it doesn't excuse his hypocrisy.

Do think those people he told to sort themselves out before criticizing the world don't have similar issues going on in their life? Most people at some point have to face the impending death of a loved one. He gets to be a drug addict going into comas while ranting about society but other people shouldn't dare criticize society if they have any personal imperfections?