Never saw this grip from the back before... Looks interesting, any opinions?
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Seems pretty evil if your a lanky dude
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cool.
i like it
i like it
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That's a crazy grip. I'm going to play around with it. To bad I've been so busy with work that I'm only training once a week these past few weeks. It's horrible.
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Braulio teaches a couple of techniques from there, if it's something you're interested in I would definitely suggest signing up to Estima in Action to check it out as he has the best details imo. As well as the video in the OP there are a few others...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvMqrwBoNyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-D1YZpwJaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRyxPCGQzE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G6C8B-udDY
As far as the Braulio stuff, I think he highlights how much more valuable this grip is in the gi rather than nogi...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvMqrwBoNyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-D1YZpwJaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRyxPCGQzE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G6C8B-udDY
As far as the Braulio stuff, I think he highlights how much more valuable this grip is in the gi rather than nogi...
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Braulio teaches a couple of techniques from there, if it's something you're interested in I would definitely suggest signing up to Estima in Action to check it out as he has the best details imo. As well as the video in the OP there are a few others...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvMqrwBoNyE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-D1YZpwJaQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRyxPCGQzE8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G6C8B-udDY
As far as the Braulio stuff, I think he highlights how much more valuable this grip is in the gi rather than nogi...
The dude with Braulio is Charles Negromonte, I have trained with him. Quite a character and cool guy.
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Just a quick update... After experimenting with it for a bit, I found that, if on your "strong" side, this kind of grip allows your opponent more room in order to turn his back to the floor. It is a great control, it's easy to get, but my opponent is able to put his back to the floor everytime, while with a regular seatbelt it is way harder for him to do so... Anyone else has been playing with this?
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Use a single hook maybe?
Like a lockdown from the back? I have the impression that a single hook forces you to be lower on your opponents body but I'll try it tonight... Do you have any videos of one hook control from the back? I've been looking and can't find them...
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one hook is all you need, at least no gi, the bottom hook is the one important, the top hook has to be active, if the person is tryng to escape by putting his back on the mat, remove the top hook and use it to correct the position of your opponent, then you can put it back in, or place it on top of the hip, or go bj penn style and trap the arm.... the top hook has to be active, on the down side, if you remove the top hook, you have to be sure to have a very tight and high seatbelt (this is something very important I dont see many people talk about) it is very likely your opponent will look to go to turtle, and if your seatbelt is low, and you are just controlling but not threatening the choke, you wll have a hell of a time trying to attack with half hook and your opponent on turtle, actually you will most likely lose the postion...if your seatbelt is high (see marcelo, he doesnt talk much about it but his seatbelt s always very very high, this means he choking arm as close from the throat as possible) when he turns, you go for the choke right away, he willl have to stop hand fighting for a sec or at least not fighting that efficiently, thats the time to go for the choke... dont even worry about the second hook just threat the choke and even if you dont get it, youlll probably be able to get in the second hook, flatting him out and work from there, or at least regain full back control, since he ill be worry about the choke and not the defending the hooks as much
Ok, I get what you are saying... I actually do this already (I use the upper hook to trap the arm or counterhook their upper leg to stop them from turning to me... ) The problem with this grip only occurs if you trap the upper arm once you've falled to the strong side... trapping the bottom one, as Sauer does, looks way harder, but would solve the problem... The other option could be falling to the weak side and trapping then the upper arm, or the overhook arm... I'll try this tonight... Thanks!
