Net Neutrality is dead, FCC voted to kill it.

[MeatheadMike]

I don't understand why anyone would support dismantling net neutrality, aside from the telecom industry. It would be a huge loss for everyone.

 

[MeatheadMike]

This could be a real issue for me. I only have Xfinity in my area and that satellite internet which is crap.

Having a VPN these days is becoming more and more of a necessity.

 

[method115]

Having a VPN these days is becoming more and more of a necessity.

Ah yea I forgot I have VPN too. So I guess I'll just set it up on my router and increase my plan speed if necessary. Not as worried as I was thanks for that.

 

[MeatheadMike]

Ah yea I forgot I have VPN too. So I guess I'll just set it up on my router and increase my plan speed if necessary. Not as worried as I was thanks for that.

Yea VPN will help prevent a lot of nonsense from ISPs. Theoretically the ISPs could also block VPN traffic without NetNeutrailty, but I think that would be pretty unlikely as it would be kind of difficult for them to identify it all.

 

[flashNsmash]

He should consider making his teeth great again above anything else.

how dare you dentally discriminate against this man by smile-shaming him?

 

[Teen Wolf]

Freedom eh...

 

[Falsedawn]

Yea VPN will help prevent a lot of nonsense from ISPs. Theoretically the ISPs could also block VPN traffic without NetNeutrailty, but I think that would be pretty unlikely as it would be kind of difficult for them to identify it all.

It's actually not that hard at all. Utilizing deep packet inspection, your ISP could analyze your traffic to see your DNS calls, and if they are being made for a PPTP connection. If they are, they can address it directly. Alternatively, they could just watch the ports for the various tunneling protocols and mark you down for further investigation if you try and pass traffic through them.

Your ISP has a scary amount of control over your connection, I wish it were so easy to bypass them.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I hope someone does something stupid, to let these arrogant cunts know, that there is a line, and people die when you cross it.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

He'll do fookin' nothin

 

[MeatheadMike]

It's actually not that hard at all. Utilizing deep packet inspection, your ISP could analyze your traffic to see your DNS calls, and if they are being made for a PPTP connection. If they are, they can address it directly. Alternatively, they could just watch the ports for the various tunneling protocols and mark you down for further investigation if you try and pass traffic through them.

Your ISP has a scary amount of control over your connection, I wish it were so easy to bypass them.

Not all VPNs use PPTP, actually I think theres a lot of security holes with PPTP. The service I use lets you choose a few different VPN technologies ( PPTP, L2TP/IPsec, SOCKS5 and OpenVPN) .

Even though it could be possible... I don't think ISPs would block all types of VPN traffic. Lots of people rely on VPNs to connect to corporate networks for work. It would be unacceptable if they blocked that traffic.

I'd assume if they wanted to block/throttle VPN traffic used for circumventing them they'd have to differentiate which VPN traffic is going to to corporate VPNS and which is going to servers from personal VPN services. Could be lots of work and probably not worth the trouble because not a lot of people use VPNs exclusively for the purpose of hiding themselves from their ISPs.

 

[AGGAMEMNON66]

Also, the FCC is shit and everyone knows it. They've been shit since long before Trump. But still, Trump is an idiot that will support just about anything his side talks him into.


Trump might be the weakest president we've ever had because he doesn't make any of his own decisions. He's too stupid to realize on his own why this is bad and people don't want it.

 

[Falsedawn]

Not all VPNs use PPTP, actually I think threes a lot of security holes with PPTP. The service I use lets you choose a few different VPN technologies ( PPTP, L2TP/IPsec, SOCKS5 and OpenVPN) .

Even though it could be possible... I don't think ISPs would block all types of VPN traffic. Lots of people rely on VPNs to connect to corporate networks for work. It would be unacceptable if they blocked that traffic.

I'd assume if they wanted to block/throttle VPN traffic used for circumventing them they'd have to differentiate which VPN traffic is going to to corporate VPNS and which is going to servers from personal VPN services. Could be lots of work and probably not worth the trouble because not a lot of people use VPNs exclusively for the purpose of hiding themselves from their ISPs.

To be honest, at this point, i'm not putting dick past ISPs. You would think traffic prioritization would be off the table due to those corporate concerns, but here we are. These ISPs need to be regulated into the ground, the Internet is ubiquitous enough these days that without it you basically don't exist. It needs to be a public utility and stay that way.

 

[Pupi]

Monopolization of the telecom industries is occurring according to plan just like the monopolization of other industries. We are in an Authoritarian moment. Hopefully it doesn't spiral into full-fledged totalitarianism, but that usually only occurs as a justification for war (internal and/or external).

 

[whougonnacall]

Smaller government = removing all regulations so that businesses can rape consumers.

Exactly
The far right fears the vauge term of big goverment yet seemingly welcomes huge coroprations getting to bend them over

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

This could be a real issue for me. I only have Xfinity in my area and that satellite internet which is crap.

Satellite is actually a good option in 2017 -- all of Hughes net packages come with at least 25 mb up to 50mb while using a Ka-band sat. In fact, satellite providers rank 1st is user reporting speeds that meet what their package advertise with 90% of users reporting speeds that are 140% or better of what was advertised to them.

Latency issues have been addressed with Gen 5 tech. Fttp will always be better option but unfortunately because the US is so massive and population is dispersed it is unlikely that any provider (outside of maybe google) is going run massive fiber infrastructure to rural areas (especially when by law they have to spend a shit load mantaining copper networks there at all times) satellite connection maybe your best bet if Xfinity changes their business model.

 

[method115]

Satellite is actually a good option in 2017 -- all of Hughes net packages come with at least 25 mb up to 50mb while using a Ka-band sat. In fact, satellite providers rank 1st is user reporting speeds that meet what their package advertise with 90% of users reporting speeds that are 140% or better of what was advertised to them.

Latency issues have been addressed with Gen 5 tech. Fttp will always be better option but unfortunately because the US is so massive and population is dispersed it is unlikely that any provider (outside of maybe google) is going run massive fiber infrastructure to rural areas (especially when by law they have to spend a shit load mantaining copper networks there at all times) satellite connection maybe your best bet if Xfinity changes their business model.

How do it work in the rain is it like satellite TV where the signal degrades?

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Trump looking out for the little guy as usual ....by bending them over , when your famous they just let you

 

[Deleted member 429137]

I'm loving the fact that the biggest thing to get Trumpers to turn on Trump is his attack on their ability to shitpost.

Here's an article, written by the head of the FCC, that I'm sure we will all enjoy:

How the FCC Can Save the Open Internet
We should undo the Obama administration’s rules that regulate the web like a 1930s utility.

As millions flocked to the web for the first time in the 1990s, President Clinton and a Republican Congress decided “to preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the Internet.” In the Telecommunications Act of 1996, the government called for an internet “unfettered by Federal or State regulation.” The result of that fateful decision was the greatest free-market success story in history.


Encouraged by light-touch regulation, private companies invested over $1.5 trillion in nearly two decades to build out American communications networks. Without having to ask anyone’s permission, innovators everywhere used the internet’s open platform to start companies that have transformed how billions of people live and work.


But that changed in 2014. Just days after a poor midterm election result, President Obama publicly pressured the Federal Communications Commission to reject the longstanding consensus on a market-based approach to the internet. He instead urged the agency to impose upon internet service providers a creaky regulatory framework called “Title II,” which was designed in the 1930s to tame the Ma Bell telephone monopoly. A few months later, the FCC followed President Obama’s instructions on a party-line vote. I voted “no,” but the agency’s majority chose micromanagement over markets.


This burdensome regulation has failed consumers and businesses alike. In the two years after the FCC’s decision, broadband network investment dropped more than 5.6%—the first time a decline has happened outside of a recession. If the current rules are left in place, millions of Americans who are on the wrong side of the digital divide would have to wait years to get more broadband.


The effect has been particularly serious for smaller internet service providers. They don’t have the time, money or lawyers to cut through a thicket of complex rules. The Wireless Internet Service Providers Association, which represents small fixed wireless companies that generally operate in rural America, found that more than 80% of its members “incurred additional expense in complying with the Title II rules, had delayed or reduced network expansion, had delayed or reduced services and had allocated budget to comply with the rules.” They aren’t alone. Other small companies have told the FCC that these regulations have forced them to cancel, delay or curtail upgrades to their fiber networks.


The uncertainty surrounding the FCC’s onerous rules has also slowed the introduction of new services. One major company reported that it put on hold a project to build out its out-of-home Wi-Fi network partly because it wasn’t sure if the FCC would approve of its business model. Nineteen municipal internet service providers—that is, city-owned nonprofits—told the this past May that they “often delay or hold off from rolling out a new feature or service because we cannot afford to deal with a potential complaint and enforcement action.”


This is why I’m proposing today that my colleagues at the Federal Communications Commission repeal President Obama’s heavy-handed internet regulations. Instead the FCC simply would require internet service providers to be transparent so that consumers can buy the plan that’s best for them. And entrepreneurs and other small businesses would have the technical information they need to innovate. The Federal Trade Commission would police ISPs, protect consumers and promote competition, just as it did before 2015. Instead of being flyspecked by lawyers and bureaucrats, the internet would once again thrive under engineers and entrepreneurs.


The FCC will vote on this proposal on Dec. 14. If it passes, Washington will return to the bipartisan approach that made the internet what it is today. Consumers will benefit from greater investment in digital infrastructure, which will create jobs, increase competition, and lead to better, faster, and cheaper internet access—especially in rural America.


In the next few weeks, anti-market ideologues are going to try to scare the American people. They’ll argue that government control is the only way to assure a free and open internet. They’ll assert that repealing utility-style regulation will destroy the internet as we know it and harm innovation. They’ll allege that free speech online is at risk. Don’t fall for the fearmongering.


We have proof that markets work: For almost two decades, the U.S. had a free and open internet without these heavy-handed rules. There was no market failure before 2015. Americans weren’t living in a digital dystopia before the FCC seized power. To the contrary, millions enjoyed an online economy that was the envy of the world. They experienced the most powerful platform ever seen for permission-less innovation and expression. Next month, I hope the FCC will choose to return to the common-sense policies that helped the online world transform the physical one.

TLDR: DON'T BE FOOLED INTO THINKING NET NEUTRALITY IS A GOOD THING!

 

[D3THRONED]

This is the kind of shit that is going to make me vote democrat.

 

[ShoelessRye]

This is the kind of shit that is going to make me vote democrat.

Too late. No going back on this.