Neck Pain From BJJ

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So about a year ago a new guy came into class who I guess was a state champion wrestler and we started rolling. Well I immediately pulled gaurd and applied a triangle pretty quickly. Well this 250lb guy began lifting 160lb me off the ground then slammed all his waight onto me and my neck. However I didn't feel pain until a few days later. But after a BJJ class my neck hurt so bad the next day I could barely turn my head specifically towards the right. (Section C5 on my spine)

I began going to a chiropractor and I had to quit martial arts during this time too. Well 7 months later I felt better, I paid off the chiropractor I was over the pain. So I took up martial arts again although mainly for boxing and my neck hurts again effecting sleep and everything I do. I'm not really sure what to do now.....
 
JakeTKD said:
So about a year ago a new guy came into class who I guess was a state champion wrestler and we started rolling. Well I immediately pulled gaurd and applied a triangle pretty quickly. Well this 250lb guy began lifting 160lb me off the ground then slammed all his waight onto me and my neck. However I didn't feel pain until a few days later. But after a BJJ class my neck hurt so bad the next day I could barely turn my head specifically towards the right. (Section C5 on my spine)

I began going to a chiropractor and I had to quit martial arts during this time too. Well 7 months later I felt better, I paid off the chiropractor I was over the pain. So I took up martial arts again although mainly for boxing and my neck hurts again effecting sleep and everything I do. I'm not really sure what to do now.....
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You probably hurt a cervical disc, C5/C6 being very common (I herniated that one myself). Go look at some of the threads in this forum about it.

If your neck hurts from training, I strongly suggest stopping until it gets better, or at least training in ways that don't put pressure on your neck. It is borderline retarded, IMO, to take on a serious risk of lifelong injury unless you are an ultra-serious professional competitor. Playing closed guard, at the least, is a very bad idea for anybody with neck problems. You can't allow yourself to get stacked.

You certainly need to see a doctor, but there's not much they can do for you besides giving you anti-inflammatory steroids, which are a godsend for intense short-term pain that may be depriving you of sleep. They can be taken orally as dose packs or injected.

It can take years of waiting for a herniated disk to naturally recover over 90% to pre-injury status, if it ever does. Many people need surgery because their disks don't naturally regen no matter how much time they give it. This is particularly true for lumbar discs, as opposed to cervical, since lumbar discs carry so much weight all the time.
 
Zankou said:
You probably hurt a cervical disc, C5/C6 being very common (I herniated that one myself). Go look at some of the threads in this forum about it.

If your neck hurts from training, I strongly suggest stopping until it gets better, or at least training in ways that don't put pressure on your neck. It is borderline retarded, IMO, to take on a serious risk of lifelong injury unless you are an ultra-serious professional competitor. Playing closed guard, at the least, is a very bad idea for anybody with neck problems. You can't allow yourself to get stacked.

You certainly need to see a doctor, but there's not much they can do for you besides giving you anti-inflammatory steroids, which are a godsend for intense short-term pain that may be depriving you of sleep. They can be taken orally as dose packs or injected.

It can take years of waiting for a herniated disk to naturally recover over 90% to pre-injury status, if it ever does. Many people need surgery because their disks don't naturally regen no matter how much time they give it. This is particularly true for lumbar discs, as opposed to cervical, since lumbar discs carry so much weight all the time.
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I felt like I was the only one lol. I'll look it up more. I guess that's why I was not in a hurry to see a doctor because I was not sure what they could actually do for me. But I will not know until I try. Thanks for the advice!
 
I have bad range of motion from side to side. I saw my doctor, started physical therapy, I have much better range of motion.

Scans showed that my cervical vertebrae have kyphosis rather than lordosis. Physical therapy has helped a bunch, I have increased range of motion, much less pain and less nerve pain in my arm.

See a doctor. It helped me quite a bit.
 
Go to real doctor.

If you are uninjured, do wrestler's bridges and get rid of that chicken neck.
 
Chiropractors are about as good as a witch doctor.
 
FinBJJ said:
Chiropractors are about as good as a witch doctor.
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Herniated my C5 and C6. My nerve deteriorated about 60%, and my arm was paralyzed for 2 months. I went to PT for 3 months and saw 0% improvement; my arm got worse.

I moved back home from college to stay with my club coach who was a chiro. He worked on me for free, once a day, every day, for about 2 months. After 2 months, my discs were back to normal and I had full ROM, pain free, and could start gaining strength again.

IMO, there are more shitty general practice doctors who will just throw anti inflamitories and rest at you than there are chiros who dont know what the fuck is going on. The amount of knowledge that a chiropractor has about posture, the spinal and vertebral columns, and joint articulations and how they effect the whole body, is fucking light years beyond that of a general practice doc. Its like a black belt and a white belt.

But hey, since most people dont understand it, its quackary right?
 
Dirty Holt said:
Herniated my C5 and C6. My nerve deteriorated about 60%, and my arm was paralyzed for 2 months. I went to PT for 3 months and saw 0% improvement; my arm got worse.

I moved back home from college to stay with my club coach who was a chiro. He worked on me for free, once a day, every day, for about 2 months. After 2 months, my discs were back to normal and I had full ROM, pain free, and could start gaining strength again.

IMO, there are more shitty general practice doctors who will just throw anti inflamitories and rest at you than there are chiros who dont know what the fuck is going on. The amount of knowledge that a chiropractor has about posture, the spinal and vertebral columns, and joint articulations and how they effect the whole body, is fucking light years beyond that of a general practice doc. Its like a black belt and a white belt.

But hey, since most people dont understand it, its quackary right?
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Well that's one anecdote where it was beneficial. Then there are the countless cases where a chiropractor caused injury as severe as paralysis. Then there's the in between where they achieve nothing or very little which i would believe is the most common result.
 
Sounds like you have a fire in your neck, you need ancient traditional chinese medicine.
 
FinBJJ said:
Well that's one anecdote where it was beneficial. Then there are the countless cases where a chiropractor caused injury as severe as paralysis. Then there's the in between where they achieve nothing or very little which i would believe is the most common result.
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Tell me about it. Fucking chiro told me I had one leg shorter than the other (utter nonsense other than the normal differences between leg length and the fact that if you're in spasm your hips can be tilted), and gave me a heel raise. This set off a chain of problems which he made worse by manipulating me when I had disk injuries. I ended up having operations. He had a nice Porsche though.
 
Dirty Holt said:
But hey, since most people dont understand it, its quackary right?
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I would argue that people also don't understand the more common form of western medicine in the same way. Laypersons really don't "understand" either in the sense that we don't have medical training and haven't studied the medical literature standing behind each practice. Do you really "understand" spinal surgery?

I would say something is more likely to be quackery if it is not subject to the kind of blinded, controlled testing and scientific validation that should be required of medical practices. Whether the practices of any individual chiro meets that, I don't know. But I do know that all the chiros I've ever been to (only 3) also fancied themselves holistic healers in a sense as well, and didn't do a damn thing to help my injuries.
 
FinBJJ said:
Well that's one anecdote where it was beneficial. Then there are the countless cases where a chiropractor caused injury as severe as paralysis. Then there's the in between where they achieve nothing or very little which i would believe is the most common result.
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General practitioner doctors kill people daily as well. Because there are shitty chiropractors out there does not negate the entire field of medicine.

Last week some doctor amputated the wrong leg on a lady down here in CA. That doesnt negate the positive benefits of surgery.

What doesnt get said is that usually people will go to their family doctor or a general practitioner before they go to the chiropractor. There is a reason for that. Think about it. They achieved little to nothing with a "real" doctor long before seeing a chiro.

Tell me what a family doctor can do for a slightly herniated disc that is superior to what a chiropractor will do for the same problem?
 
Dirty Holt said:
General practitioner doctors kill people daily as well. Because there are shitty chiropractors out there does not negate the entire field of medicine.

Last week some doctor amputated the wrong leg on a lady down here in CA. That doesnt negate the positive benefits of surgery.

What doesnt get said is that usually people will go to their family doctor or a general practitioner before they go to the chiropractor. There is a reason for that. Think about it. They achieved little to nothing with a "real" doctor long before seeing a chiro.

Tell me what a family doctor can do for a slightly herniated disc that is superior to what a chiropractor will do for the same problem?
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The difference between medicine and chiropractic is that the fundamental principles of chiropractic are unscientific bunk. The "subluxation theory" is unsupported by evidence. That's not to say that some people called chiros don't do good work in that they use their clinical experience to help people but that is in spite of the pseudoscience they are taught.

If a chiro releases a spasm and gives you good advice on exercise and posture then fine - he's operating like a good physio would. But if he tells you you have health problems due to "blocked nerves" caused by subluxations and that your body is trying to heal itself and all that (which is what chiropractic theory teaches them) then they are talking shit.
 
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