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[faustian]

It was a make up call for the flagrant they missed earlier, when he tackled Lowry.

It was Anunoby and no that wasn't a flagrant, he was trying to stop a fast break. If anything that would be elevated from common foul to breakaway foul depending on where the other cHeat defenders were. Nevermind the idea that "makeup flagrant fouls" is absurd to begin with

Overall the officiating was laughable, Toronto's turbo-manlet starting backcourt got more FTAs than the entire cHeat team lol

 

[HereticBD]

It was Anunoby and no that wasn't a flagrant, he was trying to stop a fast break.

Yes, by tackling him. You can't do that. If that's not a flagrant, I don't know what is. Does Anunoby have to land awkwardly and break his collarbone for it to be a flagrant? May as well start spearing people at the end of the game for intentional fouls when you're down, since apparently flagrant fouls should only get called if you punch somebody in the head going for a dunk.

 

[wlu.29]

Shut the fuck up

i feel like your cHeat would have been better without him

 

[faustian]

Yes, by tackling him. You can't do that. If that's not a flagrant, I don't know what is. Does Anunoby have to land awkwardly and break his collarbone for it to be a flagrant? May as well start spearing people at the end of the game for intentional fouls when you're down, since apparently flagrant fouls should only get called if you punch somebody in the head going for a dunk.

You clearly didn't see the play. First you thought it involved Lowry, now you keep with the "tackled" thing

Goran was on the floor and Adunoby stumbled over his arm. The contact itself was minimal and you'd have to judge Dragic's intent to call it dirty, but intent alone is irrelevant to flagrant fouls. Intentional fouls happen routinely in every basketball game ever played, they aren't deemed flagrant simply by virtue of being intentional. The contact has to be unecessarily excessive or violent, and Dragic's arm dangling out to his side as he's on the ground is neither

Beyond that, the idea of punishing Equality Olynyk for something Equality Dragic did is pretty dumb. Flagrants carry a fine and the accumulation of them is tallied for potential suspension (see: Gaymond 2016 Finals), they're a pretty big deal and refs don't just hand them out arbitrarily or as "makeup fouls"

 

[HereticBD]

You clearly didn't see the play. First you thought it involved Lowry, now you keep with the "tackled" thing

Really? I didn't see it, because I got the players involved mixed up? Why do people go with ridiculous defense? It's not like the game was on PPV, and was hard to access or anything. I saw the game, dude.

Goran was on the floor and Adunoby stumbled over his arm.

Yes, that tends to happen when someone intentionally grabs at your leg as you're trying to run past them.

 

[faustian]

Really? I didn't see it, because I got the players involved mixed up? Why do people go with ridiculous defense? It's not like the game was on PPV, and was hard to access or anything. I saw the game, dude.



Yes, that tends to happen when someone intentionally grabs at your leg as you're trying to run past them.

Wait I thought Dragic "tackled" him

And to grab something you hand kinda has to be involved. Dragic's hand literally never touched OG lol, it was Dragic's forearm that OG tripped over

 

[faustian]

And again, even if it was intentional that doesn't warrant a flagrant when the contact itself was so slight

 

[HereticBD]

Wait I thought Dragic "tackled" him

That's a tackle. You don't have to Goldberg spear someone, for it to be a tackle.

However you want to classify it though, be it trip or tackle, the only reason a flagrant wasn't called was because there were no injuries involved, which is a dumb standard to have. The only reason Lowry got the call, was because of his Oscar worthy performance afterwords. If Anunoby had grabbed his knee and winced in pain, he would've got the call too.

 

[faustian]

That's a tackle. You don't have to Goldberg spear someone, for it to be a tackle.

However you want to classify it though, be it trip or tackle, the only reason a flagrant wasn't called was because there were no injuries involved, which is a dumb standard to have. The only reason Lowry got the call, was because of his Oscar worthy performance afterwords. If Anunoby had grabbed his knee and winced in pain, he would've got the call too.

Potential for injury, severity of injury, outcome of foul (i.e. altercations) are the last factors to look for when trying to find a flagrant. That the ref was even at the point of deliberating over the injury factor just shows how little else there was to charge a flagrant for

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Saw Bill Russell at the movies in Rancho Mirage last year

A) he fell asleep in Bohemian rhapsody
B) he slouched but was still mad tall. And the slowest walking person I've ever seen, and I've met Bill Walton at least 5 times so that's saying something

 

[HunterSdVa29]

I just realized that while Shaq had one of the greatest rookie seasons ever, he also averaged 4 fouls a game
That's like really hard to do

 

[faustian]

Bill Russell was listed at only 6'9" but if he played in the modern era they'd probably list him at 6'11" or even 7'

And I knew that Tim Robbins was tall but the dude's a legit giant

 

[HunterSdVa29]

While quote Yao'd the other day I was trying to see who was the most fouling player in the modern era

I.e. minutes played per foul

I havent found anyone yet to beat DJ mbenga

 

[faustian]

For an actual rotational player Roy Hibbert had 10.6 PF per 100 possessions in 2009, higher than Mbenga's 9.5 career average. Pretty bad

 

[HunterSdVa29]

For an actual rotational player Roy Hibbert had 10.6 PF per 100 possessions in 2009, higher than Mbenga's 9.5 career average. Pretty bad

I was using career averages, but excellent call

I assumed it would be a reserve big who was used as a body/fouls, i.e.Mbenga or Mark Madsen. But Reggie Evans and Hibbert are pretty high for guys that actually got mins

 

[faustian]

I was using career averages, but excellent call

I assumed it would be a reserve big who was used as a body/fouls, i.e.Mbenga or Mark Madsen. But Reggie Evans and Hibbert are pretty high for guys that actually got mins

Zaza of course is pretty bad, especially for a guy who played over 20 mpg career

Been over 7.5 five different times, peaking at 9.1 lol

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Zaza of course is pretty bad, especially for a guy who played over 20 mpg career

Been over 7.5 five different times, peaking at 9.1 lol

I couldn't find any actual list
So at this pt it's just thinking of fouling ass dudes and looking them up

I totally slept on Zaza, which is egregious as he foul/injured my favorite player

Rambis had 9.1 once, but only in his last season in limited mins. And that was a fouling dude

 

[faustian]

Jason Collins' grabass style racked up some high foul rates later in his career

 

[HunterSdVa29]

Jason Collins' grabass style racked up some high foul rates later in his career

Your fantasy boy Mitchell Robinson is off to a tremendous start

But at least he, like Gobert, gets fouls by constantly contesting shots.

Not just pushing or grabbing, ala late stage Boozer

It may seem irrelevant to some, but foul trouble and how its acquired is an interesting view on the strategic idling of competitive resources IMO

 

[faustian]

Your fantasy boy Mitchell Robinson is off to a tremendous start

But at least he, like Gobert, gets fouls by constantly contesting shots.

Not just pushing or grabbing, ala late stage Boozer

Might've found the closest thing to Mbunga

Alexis Ajinca: career 8.7 per 100 in 13.3 mpg

That to me is much worse than DJ's career 9.5 in 6.7 mpg