***NBA 2018 Finals v2: Rigged/ Friendly Refereeing Edition

[RR]

Stephen Jackson being one much worse. Trust me on that one.

@RR

No question lol

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

i keep seeing that car commercial where it says "they keep saying i am a nice guy" talking about steph curry. it has that newspaper on the ground saying "nicest guy in basketball." who ever said that? he kind of seems like a dick to me. having a baby face doesnt make you nice

 

[ProBoxingInsidr]

i dont think the game is really even basketball anymore. its just like a version of P.I.G. one team drives down wildly and makes some stupid passes until someone shoots it from 30 feet. then the other team goes down and does the same thing. i keep hearing how much better the game is but shit, its ok not to shoot a 3 on occasion

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

In the mid 90's they moved the 3 pt line in a few feet. Not surprisingly attempts and % went up dramatically, then both fell dramatically when it went back to its original length. Even during that short period, they shot 3's only about as well as they do today with the longer distance. It's because shooters are better today that they shoot them so often. It's not just 3's. FT% is way up from the 90's as well, while FT attempts are down because they called more fouls in the 90's.

 

[berimBOWLoh]

LOL, look man. I get it. People try in vain to convince me that the teams of the 80's and 90's were not especially good or tough but that would require me to deny everything I've seen for the last 30+ years in basketball. For me, when I look at a team like the Warriors I see an incredible shooting team, a super team even, but they are a finesse team. If you pressure guys like Staph and KD they aren't the same players anymore and that pressure defense was what those 80-90's teams were all about.

Check this out if you get time or maybe just watch the first couple minutes. The Pistons used to do shit to Jordan that in today's game would get you flagrant fouls, ejections, and even suspensions. At the time, they just considered it basketball.

thats cuz most of those bums didnt have skill so they were gooning.


its proof of a less talented, easier to score league. not the opposite.


i hear the same nonsense in hockey that no skill goons would make life hell today for Crosby types but the skill gap would be so big it wouldnt matter. Isnt it funny in both NBA and NHL in the pure goon era it was actually EASIER to score?? the defenses sucked.

 

[MusterX]

thats cuz most of those bums didnt have skill so they were gooning.


its proof of a less talented, easier to score league. not the opposite.


i hear the same nonsense in hockey that no skill goons would make life hell today for Crosby types but the skill gap would be so big it wouldnt matter. Isnt it funny in both NBA and NHL in the pure goon era it was actually EASIER to score?? the defenses sucked.

How fucking high do you have to be to believe that? The Bad Boys had 3 Hall of Famers in Dennis Rodman, Joe Dumars, and Isiah Thomas. Beyond that though those Bad Boys teams were deep. Around 89-90 they also had Mark Aguirre, John Salley, and Bill Laimbeer. That isn't all though because they also had Vinnie Johnson coming off the bench and he could drop 12 on you in about 4 minutes time, earning him the nickname The Microwave because he heats up fast.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

The Bad Boy Pistons were considered exceptional in their time for physicality. Ignoring the fact that people think every play looked like the handful of highlights they've seen over and over again (hint, they didn't, not even close), pretending that's what late 80's/early 90's NBA basketball looked like night in, night out is just retarded.

The 80's were non-stop offense, minimal defense and ridiculous levels of foul calls. The people who complain about whistles now would pull out their hair watching 80's ball.

 

[Losfer Words]

Stephen Jackson being one much worse. Trust me on that one.

@RR

I remember when Stephen committed to the UofA. We were stoked but then he was ruled academically ineligible. He would have been on the 97 championship team with Bibby, Simon and Terry.

 

[OnionKnight86]

Reposting since this is the last post in the other thread

From /r/NBA

LeBron when guarded by Durant in game 1: 45 possessions, 30 points on 10-15 shooting

LeBron also had 2 assists, 2-3 shooting from 3 and 2 turnovers.

LBJ guarded by Draymond- 9 possessions, 8 points on 4/6 shooting

The best defender against Bron last night was actually Looney-

9 possessions, 2 points on 1-4 shooting and 2 turnovers. Looney da GAWD.

Durant guarded by LeBron?

24 possessions, 7 points on 3-5 shooting

I just want to say its great that Basketball themed thread/subreddit (NBA sherdog thread and the /r/NBA on reddit) are the best places to be on both sites

 

[MusterX]

The Bad Boy Pistons were considered exceptional in their time for physicality. Ignoring the fact that people think every play looked like the handful of highlights they've seen over and over again (hint, they didn't, not even close), pretending that's what late 80's/early 90's NBA basketball looked like night in, night out is just retarded.

The 80's were non-stop offense, minimal defense and ridiculous levels of foul calls. The people who complain about whistles now would pull out their hair watching 80's ball.

If they pulled their hair out then they would be morons because the 1980's may be the best decade of basketball the NBA has ever had.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

If they pulled their hair out then they would be morons because the 1980's may be the best decade of basketball the NBA has ever had.

I loved the 80's NBA. Magic/Bird is how I was introduced to the game as a kid watching with my dad. But claiming that the game was more physical or more defensive minded is just wrong. So is claiming that the talent pool was close to as good.

And again, if you think the refs are too quick with the whistle today, that era will truly drive you nuts. They averaged about 25% more foul calls in the 80's than they do today.

 

[Luminaire]

I loved the 80's NBA. Magic/Bird is how I was introduced to the game as a kid watching with my dad. But claiming that the game was more physical or more defensive minded is just wrong. So is claiming that the talent pool was close to as good.

IWB fighting the good fight. Unfortunately a lot of people want to believe in their false narratives. Those memories hold some outsized value to them.

And yea, it’s frustrating because every statement they make is based on highlight clips embedded into their memory, if they actually went back and sat through a game or two they’d see how stark the difference is.

 

[echohead]

To me the best argument against a previous era being better in any sport is this:
The current era is best because we can study the past era's. "We stand on the shoulders of Giants" and all that.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

To me the best argument against a previous era being better in any sport is this:
The current era is best because we can study the past era's. "We stand on the shoulders of Giants" and all that.

Plus even just domestic population has increased greatly. So has the money involved, helping to pull in more and better athletes to the sport. Then you have the influx of foreign players, who also brought new aspects of play with them. But yes, the most important factor is they got to take what their predecessors had done, study it and improve on it. And while I know a lot of people hate analytics (they can certainly be overemphasized), anyone who played basketball at any level knows coaches have always emphasized 'high percentage shots'. Now that the actual data for that (and a million other aspects of the game) exists nearly in full, it allows coaches and players to optimize what they do well without any guesswork or false assumptions.

 

[MusterX]

I loved the 80's NBA. Magic/Bird is how I was introduced to the game as a kid watching with my dad. But claiming that the game was more physical or more defensive minded is just wrong. So is claiming that the talent pool was close to as good.

Hmmm, the talent pool wasn't close to as good?

The Lakers went to the Finals 9 times from 1980-91, featuring the likes of Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, and Scott and their rivalry with the Celtics is one of if not the most famous rivalry in NBA history. The Celts had Bird, Ainge, Walton, Parish, Johnson, and Mchale. The 1983 76'ers had Julius Irving, Moses Malone, and Maurice Cheeks. The end of the decade brought in the Bulls with the likes of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant and John Paxton.

The 80's also had the Twin Towers of Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Sampson, the era also had Clyde Drexler and Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, Charles Barkley, Alex English, George Gervin, Adrian Dantley, Isiah Thomas, Sydney Moncrief, Marques Johnson, Paul Pressey, Terry Cummings, Karl Malone, and John Stockton.

Then you have the forgotten teams of the 80's like the Dallas Mavericks who were road blocked by huge amounts of all time great players. They had Mark Aquirre, Sam Perkins, Detlev Schrempf, Dale Ellis, Derek Harper, and Rolando Blackman. They famously put up 151 on Seattle in the 1987 playoffs. That's 151 in regulation, no overtimes. In 87 that team averaged almost 115 points per 100 possessions.

For you to think that the talent pool of the 80's is not even close to now is MIND BOGGLING.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Hmmm, the talent pool wasn't close to as good?

The Lakers went to the Finals 9 times from 1980-91, featuring the likes of Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Cooper, and Scott and their rivalry with the Celtics is one of if not the most famous rivalry in NBA history. The Celts had Bird, Ainge, Walton, Parish, Johnson, and Mchale. The 1983 76'ers had Julius Irving, Moses Malone, and Maurice Cheeks. The end of the decade brought in the Bulls with the likes of Michael Jordan, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant and John Paxton.

The 80's also had the Twin Towers of Hakeem Olajuwon and Ralph Sampson, the era also had Clyde Drexler and Dominique Wilkins, Bernard King, Charles Barkley, Alex English, George Gervin, Adrian Dantley, Isiah Thomas, Sydney Moncrief, Marques Johnson, Paul Pressey, Terry Cummings, Karl Malone, and John Stockton.

Then you have the forgotten teams of the 80's like the Dallas Mavericks who were road blocked by huge amounts of all time great players. They had Mark Aquirre, Sam Perkins, Detlev Schrempf, Dale Ellis, Derek Harper, and Rolando Blackman. They famously put up 151 on Seattle in the 1987 playoffs. That's 151 in regulation, no overtimes. In 87 that team averaged almost 115 points per 100 possessions.

For you to think that the talent pool of the 80's is not even close to now is MIND BOGGLING.

Why? Because you listed a bunch of names? Half of whom wouldn't start in the NBA today. Every era has great players. The ones now are just better. But the biggest difference is how much better the role players are today than they were then.

And of course scoring was high. They played minimal defense and went to the FT line if someone breathed on them in the lane. By that logic, the 80's are significantly worse than the 60's, since that era had the highest scoring averages in history. Over a quarter of the league averaged over 110 points/100 possessions this season alone. You can point to little outliers wherever you want. If that Dallas team could play any defense, maybe they wouldn't be forgotten.

 

[therealdope]

No question lol

When laughing in the face of another player at the end of an NBA finals game gets your ass capped -- 'shit got real' just got defined.

 

[therealdope]

I remember when Stephen committed to the UofA. We were stoked but then he was ruled academically ineligible. He would have been on the 97 championship team with Bibby, Simon and Terry.

And probably on the FBI's most wanted list.

 

[Losfer Words]

And probably on the FBI's most wanted list.

Hell, we had Chris Mills just a few years prior. Dude was a G

 

[Corona]

Lol at thinking of bunch of cans in short shorts from the 80s would tear it up in the modern league just because they played a lot more grab ass on the court. Lonzo Ball would probably be Tragic Johnson in that era.