Nature: Animal source of Covid still up in the air.

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The alt-Lefties coordinated on their Discord to derail this thread real quick.

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[S Class]

Those CCP animals are the source of the virus.

 

[Zookeeper Gabe]

Did Trump write this article in Nature?

This article pretty much disputes everything trump is saying...

 

[Crom Cruach]

Why do you find that "most likely"?

Because I read it in scientific paper.

Also I am friends with some scientists who summarise what they work on when I talk to them.

The genome of SARS-cov-2 was sequenced pretty early as you know and im told the director of the Wuhan lab informed the community that she had compared to their coronavirus stocks and it did not match.

Granted you can form your own view on how free her opinion was given the Chinese authorities record but the people in the field I know say she is highly respected and they believe her.

You will notice very few scientists pushing the bio weapon or accidental escape angles. Only politicians and conspiracy theories. Not to say they are wrong but this is politics now not science.

 

[Hadron90]

Because I read it in scientific paper.

Also I am friends with some scientists who summarise what they work on when I talk to them.

The genome of SARS-cov-2 was sequenced pretty early as you know and im told the director of the Wuhan lab informed the community that she had compared to their coronavirus stocks and it did not match.

Granted you can form your own view on how free her opinion was given the Chinese authorities record but the people in the field I know say she is highly respected and they believe her.

You will notice very few scientists pushing the bio weapon or accidental escape angles. Only politicians and conspiracy theories. Not to say they are wrong but this is politics now not science.

Source on them saying the coronavirus stocks don't match?
The only statement from the lab I can find is this:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...-claims-coronvarius-originated-there-n1186856

"As people who carry out viral study, we clearly know what kind of research is going on in the institute and how the institute manages viruses and samples. As we said early on, there is no way this virus came from us," said Yuan, a microbiology and biotechnology expert who trained and worked in France, Denmark, and the U.S. for several years.

"We have a strict regulatory regime and code of conduct of research, so we are confident," he added.

That's not a denial that they have the strain. It is a known fact that the lab had samples of the closest naturally occurring strain found.

 

[ka pow]

Literally all of the research that’s out there shows this is from a naturally occurring virus, stop listening to the giant orange man baby saying it’s from a Chinese lab.
But then again, to understand this is to have a basic understanding of science so I can believe why so many people think it’s a bio weapon.

What research are you talking about? I have a basic understanding of science but I haven't seen any scientific evidence indicating that this virus is natural.

 

[Zookeeper Gabe]

What research are you talking about? I have a basic understanding of science but I haven't seen any scientific evidence indicating that this virus is natural.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

 

[Hadron90]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

That paper is the result of China misleading international researchers. They are concluding that its likely the virus jumped from rats, primarily because of its close relationship to bat coronavirus RatG13. The problem? This genome was reported for the first time in January, and by the very Wuhan lab being accused of the outbreak.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/nuccore/MN996532

I'm thinking China faked the RatG13 data, and that is one of the reasons scientists are having so much problem understanding the phylogeny of this disease.

 

[ka pow]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livescience.com/amp/coronavirus-not-human-made-in-lab.html

Just because computer models wouldn't have predicted this virus binding so well doesn't automatically mean the virus is natural. So far, there is no evidence suggesting that the virus is natural. The media makes it sound like the case has been closed, but the origin of the virus is still unsolved.

 

[ka pow]

I'm thinking China faked the RatG13 data, and that is one of the reasons scientists are having so much problem understanding the phylogeny of this disease.

Maybe RaTG13 is real, maybe it was modified to produced SARS-CoV-2, maybe for gain of function research.

 

[Hadron90]

Just because computer models wouldn't have predicted this virus binding so well doesn't automatically mean the virus is natural. So far, there is no evidence suggesting that the virus is natural. The media makes it sound like the case has been closed, but the origin of the virus is still unsolved.

And its origin is likely going to remain unsolved until scientists can actually do field expeditions in China to collect samples. The nearest virus to this coronavirus is the bat coronavirus RatG13. The fishy thing...no one outside of the Wuhan lab has ever seen this virus. They published its genome for the first time in January, and claimed they isolated it in 2013. But there is no evidence of that, nor are their any physical copies of the virus anywhere. The scientific community just has to take the Wuhan lab's claim that this virus exists and was found where/when they said at face value. I suspect that when international researchers get into China, they are going to find 1 of 2 things.

1. No evidence of a near neighbor to Sars-Covid-2 in animals
or
2. Evidence of a very recent outbreak of a near neighbhor to Sars-Covid-2 with no traceable recent ancenstors. I think this is likely because I suspect China has released other viruses into the animal population to help cover up their role in the outbreak.

 

[MicroBrew]

This is sars-cov-2. They never found the source of sars-cov-1.

One theory is sars-cov-1 entered a different animal (pangolin is the latest speculation) then mutated and re-infected humans from there.

The problem is that they just don't know what happened and it is most likely a natural infection rather than any bad actors being involved.

Sars-cov-1's origin was found to be horseshoe bats that infected civet cats.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...wn-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

 

[ka pow]

And its origin is likely going to remain unsolved until scientists can actually do field expeditions in China to collect samples. The nearest virus to this coronavirus is the bat coronavirus RatG13. The fishy thing...no one outside of the Wuhan lab has ever seen this virus. They published its genome for the first time in January, and claimed they isolated it in 2013. But there is no evidence of that, nor are their any physical copies of the virus anywhere. The scientific community just has to take the Wuhan lab's claim that this virus exists and was found where/when they said at face value. I suspect that when international researchers get into China, they are going to find 1 of 2 things.

1. No evidence of a near neighbor to Sars-Covid-2 in animals
or
2. Evidence of a very recent outbreak of a near neighbhor to Sars-Covid-2 with no traceable recent ancenstors. I think this is likely because I suspect China has released other viruses into the animal population to help cover up their role in the outbreak.

It's likely that there'll be more shenanigans from China.

 

[Wet Blanket]

people making jokes about all of this need to do some soul searching....


theres literally not one thing funny about any of this plandemic....its sick and is chock full of massive glaring signs of how little control we have left over our lives...

when you laugh at something like this, youre laughing at yourself...at your friends...your family.....you all just got shown how much of slaves you are .....working 3-4 months out of the year for free and when they tell you to stand on a dot away from everyone else....you fucking hop to it...no questions asked..........and then have the gall to make stupid jokes about it all..........belittling your own ignorance and conformity ....

we all should be supremely pissed off right now and that theres still so many who think its all some big joke.......completely means that nothing is going to change, next time it will be even worse

I'm laughing because people are calling it a "plandemic".

 

[Crom Cruach]

Sars-cov-1's origin was found to be horseshoe bats that infected civet cats.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/...wn-viruses-from-sars-to-the-new-coronavirus1/

Thanks for that. I might have read an older article. It also echoes what I have been told verbally but probably didn't understand.

I noticed I'm the only one who liked your post so far. I wonder if im the only one who read it.

 

[Skarr]

I'm laughing because people are calling it a "plandemic".

well okay...that I can get behind because how perfect of a play it is....tickles me as well

 

[MicroBrew]

Thanks for that. I might have read an older article. It also echoes what I have been told verbally but probably didn't understand.

I noticed I'm the only one who liked your post so far. I wonder if im the only one who read it.

I think I posted that link in some earlier thread/s

Others may or may not be inclined to read it , depending on whether the origin of the 2002 Sars outbreak is something they care about right now. Below is the pertinent portion of the article , on the origin.

In Shitou Cave—where painstaking scrutiny has yielded a natural genetic library of bat-borne viruses—the team discovered a coronavirus strain that came from horseshoe bats with a genomic sequence nearly 97 percent identical to the one found in civets in Guangdong. The finding concluded a decade-long search for the natural reservoir of the SARS coronavirus.

 

[Crom Cruach]

I read that one of the theories being investigated is that SARS-cov-1 might have gone from human to animal mutated there and back out to humans.

An interesting thing I learned from that article is that China have banned the wildlife for food trade as a response. (Though they will have their problems with enforcement)

That didn't get much press.

 

[44nutman]

Trump manufactured the virus to take away our freedoms. Look at all those patents that China gave Donny and Ivanka. The Trumps are in bed with the Chinese.
I am amped up on Red Pills and not falling for the Trump run media trying to throw me off the scent.
Get woked or get smoked.

 

[MicroBrew]

I read that one of the theories being investigated is that SARS-cov-1 might have gone from human to animal mutated there and back out to humans.

An interesting thing I learned from that article is that China have banned the wildlife for food trade as a response. (Though they will have their problems with enforcement)

That didn't get much press.

They banned it at the height of the 2002 pandemic but after everything went back to normal and the world stopped paying attention, China lifted the ban.

The videos I have seen on YT say that the exotic species trade is done mostly for the benefit of the rich and influential, who like to eat such animals either to show-off their wealth or because they believe in traditional Chinese medicine. To mitigate the effects of Covid-19 Xi Jinping has promoted a traditional Chinese Medicine that uses Bear bile as an ingredient.

Activists slam China's use of bear bile in virus treatment

China has approved the use of bear bile to treat coronavirus patients, angering activists and raising fears it could undermine efforts to stop the illegal animal trade which is blamed for the emergence of the new disease sweeping the globe.

President Xi Jinping has been keen to promote traditional medicine, calling it a "treasure of Chinese civilisation" and saying it should be given as much weight as other treatments

https://www.france24.com/en/20200402-activists-slam-china-s-use-of-bear-bile-in-virus-treatment