NASA Engineer Claims 'Helical Engine' Concept Could Reach 99% The Speed of Light

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When it comes to space, there's a problem with our human drive to go all the places and see all the things. A big problem. It's, well, space. It's way too big. Even travelling at the maximum speed the Universe allows, it would take us years to reach our nearest neighbouring star.

But another human drive is finding solutions to big problems. And that's what NASA engineer David Burns has been doing in his spare time. He's produced an engine concept that, he says, could theoretically accelerate to 99 percent of the speed of light - all without using propellant.

He's posted it to the NASA Technical Reports Server under the heading "Helical Engine", and, on paper, it works by exploiting the way mass can change at relativistic speeds - those close to the speed of light in a vacuum. It has not yet been reviewed by an expert.

Understandably this paper has caused buzz approaching levels seen in the early days of the EM Drive. And yes, even some headlines claiming the engine could 'violate the laws of physics'.

But while this concept is fascinating, it's definitely not going to break physics anytime soon.

As a thought experiment to explain his concept, Burns describes a box with a weight inside, threaded on a line, with a spring at each end bouncing the weight back and forth. In a vacuum - such as space - the effect of this would be to wiggle the entire box, with the weight seeming to stand still, like a gif stabilised around the weight.

Overall, the box would stay wiggling in the same spot - but if the mass of the weight were to increase in only one direction, it would generate a greater push in that direction, and therefore thrust.

According to the principle of the conservation of momentum - in which the momentum of a system remains constant in the absence of any external forces - this should be not completely possible.

But! There's a special relativity loophole. Hooray for special relativity! According to special relativity, objects gain mass as they approach light speed. So, if you replace the weight with ions and the box with a loop, you can theoretically have the ions moving faster at one end of the loop, and slower at the other.
But Burns' drive isn't a single closed loop. It's helical, like a stretched out spring - hence "helical engine".

"The engine accelerates ions confined in a loop to moderate relativistic speeds, and then varies their velocity to make slight changes to their mass. The engine then moves ions back and forth along the direction of travel to produce thrust," he wrote in his abstract.

"The engine has no moving parts other than ions traveling in a vacuum line, trapped inside electric and magnetic fields."

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Any dust particle or a small object that collides with this ship when it goes at a third of the speed of light would destroy it, there would be no armor capable of keeping it safe when traveling at that speed. That is another project for military weapons, disguised as a "Ship to travel through space".
NASA = DARPA.
 
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Maybe we can dust off this rock and leave the climate hippies behind!
 
I been thinking alot bout space travel lately and Einstein's saying that gravity bends space. Is it possible to create gravity behind a ship and use it to push us though empty space. It could pull space gravity from front and push it out the rear and force the ship to move forward.
 
this is great news, most likely wont go anywhere since NASA's budget gets slashed every time, they should just work with Elon Musk with that engine
 
Why don't we have space planes yet. You know, they can take off go into orbit and then land.

Shielding and fusion cells?
 
We need to figure out how to “bend” or “crimple” space time, Then we could potentially achieve FTL speed.
 
Decent theoretics, quite well suited for the dog and pony show that is NASA.
 
Why don't we have space planes yet. You know, they can take off go into orbit and then land.

Shielding and fusion cells?

It takes a lot of power to get into space.

This is the Falcon Heavy from Space X. The circle part is the cargo section, the rest is rockets.
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Or here's the space shuttle. Everything but the space shuttle is rocket
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Thats a great system for interplanetary flight, but still not that useful for traveling to distant stars and galaxies. The real breakthrough will be a gravity based system that can warp spacetime, bringing the destination to you.
 
We need to figure out how to “bend” or “crimple” space time, Then we could potentially achieve FTL speed.
We already know mass sources bend space, now if we can just discover the pesky particle that gives mass to stuff...
 
Thats a great system for interplanetary flight, but still not that useful for traveling to distant stars and galaxies. The real breakthrough will be a gravity based system that can warp spacetime, bringing the destination to you.
Or just life extension tech like merging with machines.

A hundred thousand years isn’t actually a long time and you can traverse the entire galaxy in that time. It’s just a long time for people.
 
You know some stupid hippy protesters are going to try to put a stop to it saying it's against their religion or an eyesore or it causes cancer just like windmills do. There's always assholes who try to stop any high tech progress.
 
that picture is retarded, just the like main claim I think.
1.3 seconds to Moon? as if that speed is achieved instantaneously? to accelerate, and then decelerate, at a safe rate one would require a lot more than the distance to the Moon in order to achieve that speed.
 
that picture is retarded, just the like main claim I think.
1.3 seconds to Moon? as if that speed is achieved instantaneously? to accelerate, and then decelerate, at a safe rate one require a lot more than the distance to the Moon in order to achieve that speed.
*at top speed. But it takes a distance much greater than earth to moon to reach top speed.

This propulsion seems promising for unmanned probes to other systems. Getting detailed info from Proxima b in just over 8 years, or Teegarden b in 25 years is still a mindblowing prospect. Especially since Teegarden b has an ESI of 0.98 currently.
 
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