Name a fighter with deceptively good accomplishments.

[Pancake Sprawl]

I always appreciated his nickname. Christian "World of" Morecraft is just too good.

i did not even realize that was his nickname, fucking sick cuz the dude did look like a orc lmao

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

yeah, there was a time when he came back and he was jacked too but it didn't really help him. apparently he sells seamless gutters now lol

About Christian Morecraft - owner of Morecraft Seamless Gutters

Since 2017 Christian has been singularly focused on delivering high-quality service and treating customers with dignity and respect.

morecraftseamlessgutters.com

Those gutters actually look fuckin great

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Those gutters actually look fuckin great

there he is, ANOTHER WARRIOR FOR THE HORDEEEEEE!!!

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

there he is, ANOTHER WARRIOR FOR THE HORDEEEEEE!!!

Pat Barry looking at him with visceral disgust over the fact Christian was old enough to get a drivers license here.

 

[PrideNverDies]

Joaquim Hansen

 

[Bullitt68]

I miss the UFC All Access show

Me too. I also miss Rachelle Leah.

they should bring that back.

I have no idea what their programming is like these days, I haven't watched a countdown show or BTS feature in years, but if they're not doing anything like it already, then yeah, that was a no-brainer. I always felt it should've been hour-long episodes instead of 30 minutes (20-ish minutes with all the commercials), but it was still awesome seeing Franklin doing his run, hitting his shake, and then doing that crazy endurance circuit; Sherk doing his Caveman training; Arlovski getting suits; Anderson doing a Goodfellas routine at a restaurant and lusting after Burger King burgers. Tons of fun plus actual insights into how the top dogs train.

Yes, Sherk's training regimen was insane!

And then Brock coming into the UFC and working with Sherk's crew was also cool to see. The big man did the same workouts and would sweat buckets!

I actually implemented some of that into my own workouts, what I could work with anyway

Yikes, way too hardcore for my lazy ass

PB banned me shortly after 94 so I waited a year before I joined again and it didn't take long for us to start typing away again but he was already in hot water as he lost his status shortly after 112 and finally crashed and burned after 118.

Wild times...

Speaking of Sean Sherk and Japan, another name that should be on his list of wins (but isn't because Pancrase had some weird case-by-case rules when the fight reached a decision, I think it depended on the era but still) is one of my favorite semi-obscure JMMArtists, Kiuma Kunioku

I can't recall us crossing paths on here, but FYI, back in the day, Jordan Breen (posting under his original username mysexisartsy) was the Shooto guy on here while KForcer and I were the Pancrase guys. I fucking love Pancrase and I definitely know Kiuma Kunioku. I literally just posted about him and his fight with Frank Shamrock. He's in the same class as Manabu Yamada, super slick guys whose records make them seem less impressive than they actually were in the ring.

the 5x Pancrase champion (2x at MW, 3x at WW) that Sherk mauled to a draw at Pancrase 98.

Yeah, after Pancrase had switched over from their original "hybrid wrestling" to full-fledged MMA with the gloves, no shin guards and wrestling shoes, three 5-minute rounds, etc. But they were still cool with draws if nobody did anything big, and while Sherk controlled the entire fight, shutting down all of Kunioku's offense and making him defend his wrestling the whole fight - which he was able to do better in the third round, but Sherk was so relentless he'd just switch from doubles to singles and still eventually get him down - he never did anything from the top position, none of the guard passing and positional advancing that he'd do so incredibly against Ryuki Ueyama and Hermes Franca. In US MMA, a clear 30-27 for Sherk, but in Japanese MMA, a draw.

(historically important too, since this was the event that crowned Sherk as the "Muscle Shark" since the commentators were visibly amused by his name, and during his entrance said stuff like "I wouldn't want to be bit by this shark!" and made a few puns during the bout)

I love the way the HL that I posted opens with the Jaws music

Same for his sole PRIDE bout, sure Sherk put on a ground clinic and won a comfy decision, but when Japanese fans watch their stars gets destroyed by bigass gaijins, they want to see them at least get LHK'd into next event by Cro Cop or Igor, or soccer kicked/stomped into bolivia by Ninja or Baroni... Immediately shooting for a takedown and keeping the fight down sadly didn't get him many popularity points this time, even if I enjoyed the bout.
(or at least that's how I've always understood it, I might be wrong)

True, but in fairness to Sherk, he was slamming the fuck out of Ueyama like a mini Rampage!

 

[nostradumbass]

There are a few guys with multiple wins that do not match the rest of their careers.


Michael Johnson KO'd Poirier, beat prime Ferguson.

Geoff Neal beat Belal, Ponzinibbio and Luque

And #1 is Paul Craig, beating Ankalaev, Jamahal Hill, Shogun and Krylov

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Anderson doing a Goodfellas routine at a restaurant and lusting after Burger King burgers. Tons of fun plus actual insights into how the top dogs train.

Anderson was not only a mega Burker King Connoisseur, but the face of the best sandwich they've ever made.

And I always forget PositiveBalance until he's brought up. Him being gone for so long and the forum merger back in the day that wiped so much of this board, I feel like he and I went at it once over GSP/Penn II, but that might just be an invented memory. But yeah, the only thing worse than BJ was his fans, and he was one of the worst of them.

Hahaha one of the rare retards from here who was so retarded he got his own urban dictionary definition.

 

[Bullitt68]

Anderson was not only a mega Burker King Connoisseur, but the face of the best sandwich they've ever made.

Hahaha one of the rare retards from here who was so retarded he got his own urban dictionary definition.
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He lives in infamy. Side note: I miss the term "nuthugger"

 

[KO Shotz]

Phil Davis has wins over:
- Lil Nog
- Gustafsson
- Machida x2
- Glover Teixeira
- Yoel Romero
- King Mo

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

He lives in infamy. Side note: I miss the term "nuthugger"

 

[Egészségére!]

Phil Davis has wins over:
- Lil Nog
- Gustafsson
- Machida x2
- Glover Teixeira
- Yoel Romero
- King Mo

Also has an accomplishment almost no modern day fighters have in winning two fights in the same night to win the Bellator LHW Grand Prix

Finished them both too

 

[Richard Fannin]

That was still a bit before my time - seeing Ken knock out Kimo at UFC 48 on Ultimate Knockouts 3 on Spike is what got me hooked and then UFC 52 was the first PPV my friends and I ordered - but yes, Sherk's training was brutal. I loved the old Rachelle Leah show UFC All Access with him eating fucking baby food and doing dumbbell hammer curls outside while running steps. Absolute psycho, but then you get why he was able to be so muscular, so strong, yet never gas. He had some of the most impressive conditioning when you consider how much energy he burned fighting with his style and yet he seemed as fresh at the end of five rounds as he was before the fight started!

And I always forget PositiveBalance until he's brought up. Him being gone for so long and the forum merger back in the day that wiped so much of this board, I feel like he and I went at it once over GSP/Penn II, but that might just be an invented memory. But yeah, the only thing worse than BJ was his fans, and he was one of the worst of them.

We're from the same generation then, I watched my first PRIDE events in 2002/2003! (but was familiar with several PRIDE guys because I had been a K-1 enthusiast for a couple years before making the transition).
Ken KOing Kimo at UFC 48 is a bit bittersweet for me, since it was the last time I think we ever saw Ken happy in a ring/cage (plus, I'm a Kimo fan, I've seen him fight live a couple times at the end of his career and he seemed nice, a bit odd maybe but nice). His post-fight smiles and demeanor would thaw the heart of the coldest Frank/Tito nuthugger

PositiveBalance... I've lost my first (and only other account, that's actually true; 2005 4ever) during the hell of the GSP/Penn civil wars, I can't swear that it was him who banned me because in that particular thread after Penn quit on the stool I got carried away and threw some unsportmanslike (and bannable) comments at several Penn nutthuggers, so I was asking for it anyway.
But it is a possibility. I was a teenage brat.

Oh well, that gave me a nice break from internet I guess?

I can't recall us crossing paths on here, but FYI, back in the day, Jordan Breen (posting under his original username mysexisartsy) was the Shooto guy on here while KForcer and I were the Pancrase guys. I fucking love Pancrase and I definitely know Kiuma Kunioku. I literally just posted about him and his fight with Frank Shamrock. He's in the same class as Manabu Yamada, super slick guys whose records make them seem less impressive than they actually were in the ring.



Yeah, after Pancrase had switched over from their original "hybrid wrestling" to full-fledged MMA with the gloves, no shin guards and wrestling shoes, three 5-minute rounds, etc. But they were still cool with draws if nobody did anything big, and while Sherk controlled the entire fight, shutting down all of Kunioku's offense and making him defend his wrestling the whole fight - which he was able to do better in the third round, but Sherk was so relentless he'd just switch from doubles to singles and still eventually get him down - he never did anything from the top position, none of the guard passing and positional advancing that he'd do so incredibly against Ryuki Ueyama and Hermes Franca. In US MMA, a clear 30-27 for Sherk, but in Japanese MMA, a draw.



I love the way the HL that I posted opens with the Jaws music



True, but in fairness to Sherk, he was slamming the fuck out of Ueyama like a mini Rampage!

1) Honestly I don't recall if we've discussed it in the past either, I do recall that not that long ago we had a long discussion about Mark Hunt's book and Ken Shamrock, but yes I'm a huge Pancrase guy!
On the 2 accounts I've had here (including this one) I've been more of a lurker than a poster (and my first from 2004 was often used to find guys to go to local "Hammer House Cage Fighting" events in Columbus or Lancaster Ohio, because my brothers were always game to go to UFC/Strikeforce events, or the occasional cool event in Holland where one of them lived...
("Bushido Europe: Rotterdam Rumble" & "2 Hot 2 Handle", those 2 smaller events in particular were incredible and showcased a bunch of current/future/past PRIDE stars)

... but since I'm the only one of the brotherhood to have the wrestling bug, it meant that even to watch a badass "Gracie Fighting Championship- Team Gracie vs Team Hammer House" stacked event in Lancaster, I was sometimes on my own
... but thanks to local Sherdoggers willing to meet up I wasn't, and we could drunkenly root for the chaotic Wes "The Project" Sims against Daniel Gracie with <3 (always cornered by the one and only Mark "The Hammer" Coleman, always a good time! I have so many cheap HAMMER HOUSE© T-shirts sold at Hammer House Cage Fighting events that I'd never part with, always bring a smile to my face)
=> https://www.sherdog.com/events/GFC-Team-Gracie-vs-Team-Hammer-House-3585 (nevar forget; their rematch at IFL 2- Atlantic City 3 months later was also a pretty nice local event, but the rematch itself

was far less entertaining than the absolute pandemonium that was Daniel Gracie vs Wes Sims 1, pure Gracie bs vs HH bs, what more could you ask with you 2 liters of cheap beer in a massive plastic mug?)

and a few years later:



.... oh my god, I wanted to see what you had to say about my man Kiuma Kunioki, so I checked your latest posts and you have all my condolences ><
I'm also in the very select "Ken>Frank" gentlemen club (by a thin margin, but still, I drew the line), so watching you trying to talk sense into a couple of Jake Paul noobs with Diaz avatars was like a trainwreck, you know "TITO>KEN & FRANK>TITO SO FOOK OFF" is coming, but you can't look away.

I mean if someone analizes the 2 brothers skills and competitions and the guy ends up deciding Frank is the better Shamrock, then I have zero problem!
It's the NPCs who never even gave it a thought/didn't even form their own opinion and just jumped on the Frank wagon because Ken was kind of a lolcow for a while (for the pro-Tito TUF N00b generation at least) but then claim that there is no comparison, Frank was a genius and Ken a bum, now that kinda rustle my jimmies.

... I'll need to watch that Sean Sherk highlight with the Jaw theme, haven't checked it out yet ^^

2) Well, I agree with pretty much everything, so not much else to add!
I have a pretty big collection of Pancrase DVDs, in my family it's a tradition that every time we meet with my brothers and cousins (we are pretty much all into MMA) to buy a few old DVDs that the others haven't watched, so we have nw stuff to watch while we're catching up... to make sure we weren't buying the same events, I was mostly in charge of Jungle Fight & Pancrase

So Pancrase 98 which contains Sherk vs Kunioki was one of those that I bought one time (and the event turned me into a Kazuo Misaki fanboy way before the Grabaka Hitman took care of business and took revenge on Sexyama for SAKU39!!<3! ), in that time period when DVDs were selling for extremely cheap because the future (Blu-Rays ) was right around the corner and you could find entire bins of priceless MMA/Kickboxing events for "2 bucks a piece, or 10 DVDs for 15". And after the frat bros were done going through the UFC ones, you could leisurely look for hidden gems...


Recently I watched the 360th & latest event live (with 5 title bouts on the line), shit was so ca$h.

I checked to see if anyone else was watching it on Sherdog, but in the end I ended up following the event with the /b/ros on 4chan (say what you want, but they never miss a Pancrase event)

Nowadays I don't follow UFC like I used to, I'm satisfied with RIZIN (looks like we're getting "Patchy" Mix at the next event, sweet!) and ONE (my top 2), Shooto & Shooto Brazil sometimes and the occasional UFC card when several fights interest me in it, which sadly isn't that common nowadays.

But hey, I'm in my late 30s, I still go to my local Savate club twice a week to stay in shape in my small French village right next to the Switzerland border, so with the jetlag if I want to watch a UFC card from the US live on TV I have to miss a night of sleep, so I'm cool with catching one once a month.

Anyway, nice to talk with a fellow Kiuma Kunioki connaisseur

Keep up the good work!

 

[HeffDoesWant]

Martin Kampmann. UFC record of 11-6, really 13-4 because he got robbed vs Shields and Diego. Although if he didnt get robbed vs Shields he would've fought GSP and lost which would've made him 12-5. I actually think his TDD and his striking would have made a tough fight for GSP, 49-46 or maybe 48-47 type of fight.

His back-to-back comebacks vs Alves and Ellenberger in a 3-month span were borderline epic. Unfortunately they took place on FuelTV and nobody saw them.

WAR HITMAN

Undone by his unparalleled ability to ensure every fight took place where his opponent was strongest.

Huge fan of his, incredibly skilled fighter and always awesome to watch.

 

[DesiredUserName]

Bob Sapp with a 12 - 20 MMA record. Somehow, I would have thought he was like 1 - 50. You can easily forget he was at least mid early on.

 

[MigitAs]

There are a few guys with multiple wins that do not match the rest of their careers.


Michael Johnson KO'd Poirier, beat prime Ferguson.

Geoff Neal beat Belal, Ponzinibbio and Luque

And #1 is Paul Craig, beating Ankalaev, Jamahal Hill, Shogun and Krylov

My boy Krylov just proved that win still means something lol

 

[MigitAs]

Bob Sapp with a 12 - 20 MMA record. Somehow, I would have thought he was like 1 - 50. You can easily forget he was at least mid early on.

Not to mention he beat Ernesto Hoost

 

[Fight Professor]

Datsik KO'd Arlovski, BigFoot and Aleks E. and has a win over Jeff Monson.

 

[VAfan]

chris lytle, the original iron man. never stopped in 54 fights, and a shit ton of them in the ufc (except for doctor stoppage which doesn't count). like de niro in raging bull, 'ya never got me down ray, ya never got me down...'

makes it even better that he was such a cool dude in real life.