Media Myth : Khabib a natural WW, a huge LW ...nope.

[KeyboardFighter]

Jesus son. If you are going to acuse someone of something at least spend some time trying to get it right. Here ill help you out as you need some help.

Damn, I've seen this before. But forgot how blatant and obvious it was. That it wasn't a bigger news is shameful. It is easy to ignore the rules and be corrupt when you are outside any regulating bodies. No wonder Dana loves fight island.

There is something wrong in the head of people who can't see the facts. Khabib is struggling to make the LW limit, ergo Khabib is a large LW. But you Khabib fans can't have that, because it would tarnish Khabib's legacy in your eyes. "No! he is an average sized LW, look he still got some flab, therefore he is small for the weight class".

 

[cmw43]

This is Khabib at 24 years of age having his first training session at AKA. At that age, men are at least at the last part of body development.


Now tell me, does that body look WW level to you? Guy looks like any natural LW around.

Josh Thomson from AKA says Khabib walks round at 190lbs in shape, he was talking to Bryan Ortega explaining why he was way too small to fight Khabib.

Khabibs also had about 12 fights at WW, he just started cutting down to LW when he got signed by UFC which is probably why he had so many weight issues over the years.

 

[cmw43]

looks like he has scoliosis...
Keep grasping at those salty straws

That's back muscle not his spine...

 

[Shoguns Prodigy**]

Khabib is a natural lw, but he is terrible managing his weight after fights nevertheless the guy is deathly scared to fight weight class above because he don’t want to be at a strength disadvantage and that is the truth and can’t be refuted.

 

[Khaiser]

The idea that Khabib was a massive LW was always number 1 bullshit.

Guys a reasonably big lightweight and would make a small WW. Nothing to see there really. Similarly sized to Conor.m who was a gargantuan FW

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I didn't quote, I simply stated what he had said,very broadly. Your vids don't really disagree with what I said, like I said. Also TS used a vid of old Khabib, not a more recent one. So I assumed that was the time period of discussion, a 24-year-old Khabib. Or at least the time period his argument was based on.

Yeah, a nutritionist whose rep is on the line, not the most unbiased source. He could at least have taken a pic of the scale.

Josh jumps a whole 10 lbs from your quote to the videos I posted but sure nothing significant.

And yes we definitely shouldn't listen to the guy who was literally involved in the weight cut from the start because what would they know. Silly me.

Maybe we should ask Wonderboys brother who never met Khabib that seems like a reliable source

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Josh Thomson from AKA says Khabib walks round at 190lbs in shape, he was talking to Bryan Ortega explaining why he was way too small to fight Khabib.

Khabibs also had about 12 fights at WW, he just started cutting down to LW when he got signed by UFC which is probably why he had so many weight issues over the years.

Josh didn't say that. He said Khabib came into camp at 188 before the Barboza fight after he was out for months because of back surgery

He barely cut any weight for his fights at 170. He'd fight back to back months without issue.

 

[Strijfy]

Sorry, but if you watch the video you can see he does not make weight. I wont converse with a closed minded moron any longer.

Ufc doesnt need the approval of some dumbarse on the internet.. thatd be you btw..
Made weight, won, sucked in.. stay salty

 

[Strijfy]

That's back muscle not his spine...

Yea I know, I was being facetious

 

[Iroh]

Josh jumps a whole 10 lbs from your quote to the videos I posted but sure nothing significant.

And yes we definitely shouldn't listen to the guy who was literally involved in the weight cut from the start because what would they know. Silly me.

Maybe we should ask Wonderboys brother who never met Khabib that seems like a reliable source

I quoted your vids. I never named a specific weight to begin with. Are you confusing me with some other poster by any chance? Like I said I didn't quote Josh, besides from the vids you posted.

I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to him. I'm just saying it's not an unbiased source. He could still be right, but the dude benefits if Khabib's weight is low. It refelects well on him.
And he had the opportunity to really provide quality evidence. He could have posted a clip of Khabib getting on a scale and showing the actual numbers on the scale. I mean that would really shut the haters up, right? That seemed to be his intention with that tweet, but he didn't really provide evidence of it

Okay, now you're just trolling.

Also nice way to avoid me stating that the subject was actually a 24 Y/O Khabib

 

[cmw43]

Josh didn't say that. He said Khabib came into camp at 188 before the Barboza fight after he was out for months because of back surgery

He barely cut any weight for his fights at 170. He'd fight back to back months without issue.

He's changed his tune on that now.

This is from last week talking about a hypothetical grappling match between Ortega and Khabib.

Thompson says Ortega is way too small, Khabib walks around at 190lbs, Schaub says "that's out of shape though right?"
Thompson says "No! He's never out of shape, he's sparring with guys right now getting them ready for fights, he's running and lifting weights training all the time".

 

[HaulParris]

Yeah but what division does he fight in lol

Fair point - if we're talking raw numbers, Colby walking around at 181 should mean he's a middleweight, and he "only cuts 10lbs" to make WW (I'm using parentheses for emphasis, since many other WW walk around closer to 190-200), and arguably, in today's MMA, he "should" cut 25 lbs to make LW so he can fight guys his own size
I don't have an answer for weight-cutting. I think it's stupid, outdated, and hazardous. At the same time, I understand why most people do it - if most of your opponents are cutting 20-30lbs, it's hard not to feel pressured to do the same. There are of course notable outliers - Frankie cut no weight at LW and won the belt; Rumble cut 40-50 lbs to make WW and annihilated smaller opponents like Brennerman.

 

[TheLegendary27]

Khabib being a natural WW is just bullshit. He looked smaller than many guys he fought like Poirier for example

Funny that you name one of the biggest wieght cutters in the division. Poirier walks around over 190 lbs. The only reason Khabib never went up in weightclass is because he relies a lot on his weight advantage which is completely gone at WW. At least GSP and Anderson Silva fought notably bigger guys, that's why, in my opinion, Khabib isn't even in the top 5 goats conversation.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

I quoted your vids. I never named a specific weight to begin with. Are you confusing me with some other poster by any chance? Like I said I didn't quote Josh, besides from the vids you posted.

I'm not saying you shouldn't listen to him. I'm just saying it's not an unbiased source. He could still be right, but the dude benefits if Khabib's weight is low. It refelects well on him.
And he had the opportunity to really provide quality evidence. He could have posted a clip of Khabib getting on a scale and showing the actual numbers on the scale. I mean that would really shut the haters up, right? That seemed to be his intention with that tweet, but he didn't really provide evidence of it

Okay, now you're just trolling.

Also nice way to avoid me stating that the subject was actually a 24 Y/O Khabib

Josh wasn't referring to a 24 year old Khabib so you bringing up what he said is also irrelevant to the subject.

Its common knowledge that the commission requirements are with 10% of your weight. This was directly after they checked the fighters so even if he didn't post a picture on the scale logic dictates that what he's saying is accurate.

And the only people who would have any idea of how much he actually weighs are people who are biased towards him so using that as an excuse to discredit him is beyond stupid. If you aren't his training partner, coach, or nutritionist there's no way to know this shit

 

[Iroh]

Josh wasn't referring to a 24 year old Khabib so you bringing up what he said is also irrelevant to the subject.

And he used to fight at WW before he came to the UFC and Josh stated that he was heavy earlier on in the UFC. What would logic dictate?

Its common knowledge that the commission requirements are with 10% of your weight. This was directly after they checked the fighters so even if he didn't post a picture on the scale logic dictates that what he's saying is accurate.

Bruh, explain the logic that him coming under the required limit is deducible from the moment specified and the requitement set out...

And the only people who would have any idea of how much he actually weighs are people who are biased towards him so using that as an excuse to discredit him is beyond stupid. If you aren't his training partner, coach, or nutritionist there's no way to know this shit

They could, you know, provide evidence. And it's not really to discredit him, it's to put it into perspective. Of course Josh could also be seen as biased, but why would he say Khabib is a big LW out of bias?
But not all biases are created equal. This dude's whole business and livelihood is based on his clients achieving their weight goals. Also, I don't know anything more than his name. There is no way for me to know if this dude is trustworthy. At least with guys like Thompson or Mendes you have an indication of what kind of people they are.

 

[Poatan Power]

I miss these ridiculous weight threads. Ah, the good old days about motivated Penn and GSP's walk around weight

 

[ShreddinMMA]

People still arguing about this need to move on, holy shit.

Seriously, who gives a fuck?

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

And he used to fight at WW before he came to the UFC and Josh stated that he was heavy earlier on in the UFC. What would logic dictate?



Bruh, explain the logic that him coming under the required limit is deducible from the moment specified and the requitement set out...



They could, you know, provide evidence. And it's not really to discredit him, it's to put it into perspective. Of course Josh could also be seen as biased, but why would he say Khabib is a big LW out of bias?
But not all biases are created equal. This dude's whole business and livelihood is based on his clients achieving their weight goals. Also, I don't know anything more than his name. There is no way for me to know if this dude is trustworthy. At least with guys like Thompson or Mendes you have an indication of what kind of people they are.

Khabib also cut barely anything when he fought at 170. He would fight every other moths and was clearly holding more fat.

When you start picking and choosing what matters to you YOU are the one with bias that needs to be checked. Most sources from anyone that would know put him between 185-180 out of camp and mid 170s in shape.

Even for bjj and Sambo he was 170 for competition

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

He's changed his tune on that now.

This is from last week talking about a hypothetical grappling match between Ortega and Khabib.

Thompson says Ortega is way too small, Khabib walks around at 190lbs, Schaub says "that's out of shape though right?"
Thompson says "No! He's never out of shape, he's sparring with guys right now getting them ready for fights, he's running and lifting weights training all the time".

Khabib trains about 1/10 of what he used to. He said himself he's put on a lot of weight post retirement. In fight shape he is in the 170s.

Every time he's done Sambo or bjj he competed at 170, not 190

 

[Iroh]

Khabib also cut barely anything when he fought at 170. He would fight every other moths and was clearly holding more fat.

When you start picking and choosing what matters to you YOU are the one with bias that needs to be checked. Most sources from anyone that would know put him between 185-180 out of camp and mid 170s in shape.

Logic matters to me, so I pick and choose the things that are the most logically sound. It seems to frustrate you though.

I am also not biased. I am a fan of Khabib and I don't care if he is a big LW.
Some fans are really sensitive about anything that can be construed as criticism though.

But I'm done with this discussion now. You seem really invested in this whole thing and read way too much into a simple comment I made. That doesn't make for a great discussion.