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Discussion in 'Grappling Technique' started by Brooklyn BJJ, Jun 27, 2008.

  1. Brooklyn BJJ CW Platinum Member

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    I know there is weight lifting page, but this is more of a grappler topic.

    What muscles matter and why? For example

    Tricep over bicep as you use tricep way more then a bicep when you grapple.

    Upper back is important, etc.
     
  2. J Storm** Banned Banned

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    everything man, gotta think of the body as one whole piece, not bits and pieces. the S&P page has a TON of great information. the only bodypart-specific thing i would do for grappling is training grip, if you do Gi. otherwise it's full-body lifts: squats, deads, overhead presses, pullups, olympic lifts, etc.
     
  3. Jim J Purple Belt

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    For bjj I would say that a strong back is the most important. At least for me. I am usually in top position. A strong back helps you keep your posture.

    The least important muscle would be your calves.

    If you are going to weight train you should do heavy compound movements. These will develop strength through your whole body. There is no need to specifically target small muscles like biceps and triceps. They will get plenty of work from your compound movements.
     
  4. shaftoe Orange Belt

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    If you are using your triceps more than your biceps, you are doing it wrong.
     
  5. Brooklyn BJJ CW Platinum Member

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    Why?
     
  6. kimurense Brown Belt

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    I can see why you say tricip is more important, if you are constantly on your back trying to avoid people passing your guard (pushing them constantly while escaping your hips), but bicipe helps you:

    guilhotine
    brabo choke
    anaconda
    cross choke (and many other chokes)
    rnc
    pull the oponets kimono when exchanging throws
    helps your grip strength
    helps your over hunder control
    etc...

    so I would say it is (at least) as important as your tricipe.

    As for important exercises for BJJ like Jstorm said, I find it helps to squat a lot, military press as well, but all basic movements helped for me.. I feel that a bit of variety in my workout helps me a lot, don't stick to the same program for too long
     
  7. shaftoe Orange Belt

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    Like kimurense said, your pushing muscles work when you are in trouble, and your pulling muscles work when you are in control. Even when my guard is in danger of being passed, I am stiff-arming so that I can hip out more than actively pushing. Similarly, if you are pushing opponents away from you using arm extension when you are mounted or in side control, bad things are going to happen to your arm.
     
  8. Cash Bill 52 Brown Belt

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    I agree that your back muscles are important for good posture. Watch out for the typical bjj warm up with lots of push ups and sit ups. That over develops your front half. I've been working on my posterior chain (back, glutes, hamstrings, and calves)

    Calves are important when pushing away, staying on your toes in side control, and finishing the triangle.

    Rock climbing is really helping my grip. My hands, wrists and forearms are getting a great work out.
     
  9. SFinclined Purple Belt

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    It's all about functional strength, but a strong core is easily the most important IMO.
     
  10. J Storm** Banned Banned

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    i also find calves are important when keeping your ankles locked in closed guard.
     
  11. Mumrik Silver Belt

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    Go to the FAQ in the S&P and try one of the basic workouts like the 5x5. Strength for grappling is not magically different, but you might want to do something extra for you grip strength.


    Just don't go waste time with machines and curls... you won't get very strong, and you'll neglect the amazingly important core strength.
     
  12. Cash Bill 52 Brown Belt

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    Good point. Also strong calves will help you avoid knee injuries. I've been walking/hiking using The Vibram 5 finger shoe. (Basically barefooting) This has helped develop my feet/toe muscles.

    My shins feel stronger and my posture is better.

    link...

    Vibram Five Fingers: Discover the Barefooting Alternative

    I bought a pair of the KSO's.
     
  13. judofarmerbob Banned Banned

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    IIII OOOO WAAAAA
    pull ups
    push ups
    squats
    dead lifts
    cleans
    dips
     
  14. vince89 Banned Banned

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    The biceps and back muscles are used for pulling, the triceps, shoulders and chest generally used for pushing.

    Im no grappling expert but I would assume youd need more pulling than pushing strength on the mats especially when using the Gi.
     
  15. Mister Nitro Orange Belt

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    Those shoes are pretty interesting. I might have to check out a pair. What type of situations do you wear them? Walking around town (On concrete). Is their any cushioning at all in them? Thanks!
     
  16. Cash Bill 52 Brown Belt

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    Light hiking/running/sprinting. I just did some hill sprints yesterday. It felt great. I love them so far. I'm not feeling any pain.

    Concrete not so much, I would think.
     
  17. EE6_TBOIO_MATb Blue Belt

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    I would say :

    -Abs
    -Lower Back

    Then : shoulders.

    Do olympic lifts. I believe wrestling olympic teams all around the world use alot of those.
     

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